The 'Laughing' Mollie séance
Recorded: 1965
"The only kind of spirits I was interested in was out of the bottle..."
Read the full transcript below, as you listen...
Present: Leslie Flint, George Woods,
Betty Greene.
Communicators: Mollie, Dr Marshall, Mickey.
Woods:
Yes.
Greene:
Come along.
Woods:
Come along.
Mollie:
[Laughing]
Greene:
Yes?
Mollie:
[Laughing]
Greene:
Come along.
Somebody laughing...
Woods:
Yes.
Mollie:
[Laughing]
Greene:
Come along friend.
Woods:
[Unintelligible]
Flint:
Oh dear. Whoever's this?
Woods:
Come along friend.
Mollie:
[Laughing] Hello.
Greene:
Do you want
to tell us the joke? Hello...
Mollie:
Hello.
Woods:
Hello.
Greene:
Hello
friend.
Mollie:
Oh, I’m
so happy. [Laughing]
Greene:
Is she
laughing or crying?
Woods:
No. Laughing...
Greene:
Laughing?
Woods:
Yes.
Greene:
Having a
joke on somebody.
Mollie:
Oh, I’m so
happy.
Woods / Greene:
Oh
that’s good.
Mollie:
Oh, I’m
so happy, to be able to come…[Laughing]
Woods:
Good.
Mollie:
I don't
know, I'm sure.
Woods:
Oh we're
very pleased for you - to have you, friend - to come through.
Mollie:
You’re Mr Woods.
Woods:
Yes.
Mollie:
[Laughing]
I've heard all about you…[Laughing]
Woods:
Us?
Mollie:
That’s
right.
Greene:
Yes?
Mollie:
Mr Woods
and Mrs Greene.
Greene:
That’s
right.
Woods:
Yes. That’s
quite correct.
Mollie:
I've heard
all about you from friends here.
Greene:
Good. Well,
can you tell us all about yourself, friend?
Mollie:
Oh if I was
to start to tell all about myself...huh, I should be here all night.
[Laughing]
Greene:
Can you
give us your name please?
Woods:
Please?
Mollie:
My name is
Mollie.
Greene:
Mollie?
Woods:
Mollie?
Mollie:
At least
that is the name that I was known by. Oh this is most extraordinary,
geezus. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear.
Woods:
Come on
Mollie. Can you tell us what you’re doing Mollie?
[Sound of whispering]
Mollie:
Oh, things
have so changed.
Woods:
Oh yes.
Mollie:
Oh goodness
me. You'd hardly recognise things at all.
Woods:
No I don’t
think…
Mollie:
Oh, it’s
been such a long time since I came back here, oh dear oh dear.
Greene:
Mollie, can
you tell us how you passed over and your reactions on passing over?
Mollie:
You mean
the way I died?
Greene:
That’s
right, yes.
Mollie:
Oh, I just
drew me last breath and that was it… [Laughing]
Woods:
What did she
say?
Greene:
She just
drew her last breath and that was it.
Greene:
Mollie, how
did you find yourself, after that last breath?
Mollie:
I died of
old age...
Greene:
Mmm...
Mollie:
...and I
wasn’t sorry to come here away from things on your side. I had
quite a time of it, one way or another. But I had a good time really.
[Unintelligible]
Greene:
Where did
you...
Woods:
What’s it
like on your side Mollie?
Mollie:
Oh it’s
very nice, very nice.
Woods:
Could
you...just tell us something about it.
Mollie:
I don’t
understand this at all, it's just speaking through this
box...[Laughing]...I thought it was
spirits. [Laughing]
Woods:
Well you're
doing very well.
Mollie:
The only
kind of spirits I was interested in was out of the
bottle...[Laughing]…I used to drink
meself...[Laughing]
Greene:
You used to
drink a lot, did you?
Mollie:
Ah, I used
to drink and drink and drink.
Greene:
Oh dear.
Mollie:
I was a
real drinker.
Greene:
Oh, I see.
Mollie:
[Unintelligible]...but I was happy. [Laughing]
Greene:
Where did
you live Mollie?
Mollie:
[Unintelligible] You are what they call these Spiritualists.
Greene:
Why yes...
Mollie:
The Father
wouldn’t have liked that at all…[Laughing]…
He have said you were of the devil...[Laughing]…He
would’ve said you were wicked. He would have said you were
everything that you shouldn’t have been…[Laughing]…Oh,
but he liked his drink...[Laughing]...He
could beat me at it…[Laughing]…Oh,
I’m so happy here…[Laughing]
Greene:
Jolly good.
Mollie:
I don’t know why I’m here tonight…[Laughing]…Just
that I was told about this and I thought I’d just pop my head in
and see what it was all about…[Laughing]…So
your Spiritualists? Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear…[Laughing]…
Greene:
Mollie...
Mollie:
What was
that you said?
Greene:
Mollie.
Look, can you tell us how you found yourself after you passed over.
Mollie:
I don’t
know what you mean how I found myself. I never got lost. [Laughing]
Greene:
Well I mean...
Mollie:
Dear, what
a character he was...I was parted from me husband and I was very
happy, I had much better time when he was out of it...[Laughing]
Greene:
[Laughing]
Mollie:
Oh dear, oh
dear...
Greene:
Now Mollie,
can you tell us, what sort of place you found yourself in when you
passed over. Did you realise you that you had died?
Mollie:
Oh, I don’t
know what I thought...[Unintelligible] was quite happy.
Woods:
[Unintelligible]
Mollie:
I've got a
nice little on my own. What was that you said?
Woods:
Can you tell
us about the world you're living in - what it's like?
Mollie:
Oh, it’s
very nice indeed and most my old friends, a lot of people that I used
to know. I have a nice little house. Oh, it’s only a little
cottage, but it suits me. I wouldn’t want to come back to your
side…[Laughing]…oh dear, oh dear, oh
dear, what a…[Laughing]…what a
crowd.
Woods:
Were you on
the stage Mollie?
Mollie:
Of course, I was not on the stage, what do you think I was, an actress or something?
Woods:
No, I don’t
know, were you...
Mollie:
[Laughing]…
no I was quite all right in my own way. I kept a few pigs and I had
my little holding, I was quite alright as I was, I just made a living
but I drank it all…[Laughing]
Greene:
Dear, oh
dear.
Woods:
You were a
farmer were you Mollie?
Mollie:
What was
that? Oh I wouldn't have called…[Laughing]…I
wouldn’t call myself a farmer. I had a few pigs...
Woods:
Yes?
Greene:
And I
suppose Mollie you were a strict Roman Catholic weren’t you?
Mollie:
No, I
wouldn’t say I was strict. Oh, the Father was always on the
doorstep pretending to come to save me soul, but he was more
interested in the bottle. He always expected a nip.
Woods:
Where did
you used to live in when you was on Earth?
Mollie:
[Unintelligible]...it used to cost me a great deal to keep him.
Woods:
Mollie...
Mollie:
What was
this you say?
Woods:
Where did
you live when you was on Earth, whereabouts...what part did you live,
when you were on Earth? What country did you live? Did you in Ireland
or England?
Mollie:
In Ireland
Woods / Greene:
Ireland. Oh yes, yes.
Mollie:
But my
mother was Scots.
Woods:
Your mother
was Scotch?
Mollie:
That’s
the funny part about it…[Laughing]…I've
never quite known who my father was...[Laughing]
Greene:
Oh, I see.
Well Mollie what are you doing now on the other side?
Mollie:
I’m
learning how to be a good woman - bit belated.
Flint:
[Laughing]
Woods:
Oh, that is
funny.
Mollie:
I’m
learning how to be a good woman. It's a bit belated...
Woods:
Yes
Greene:
Oh yes?
Mollie:
...but I’m
quite alright. I quite happy.
Greene:
Jolly good.
Molly:
I don’t do anyone any harm - I never did and what I can see of
some of the people that I've met here that were supposed to be such
goodie-goodies. Oh dear, oh dear. I don’t think they were so good
after all.
Greene:
You've seen the true people haven’t you Mollie? You've seen the
true people.
Mollie:
You see the real people. You see people [unintelligible] as you
never saw them before. But this man, he used to make me smile.
Greene:
Which man?
Mollie:
O’Leary.
Greene:
O’Leary?
Mollie:
Father O’Leary. He was always out to save my soul, but he
needed a couple of nips to get going….[Laughter] We had some laughs
together too. He was a good man, in his way.
Greene:
Molly who met you when you went over the other side?
Mollie:
My mother.
Greene:
Your mother?
Mollie:
If ever there was a sinner, it was she. But she seems to have
done alright for herself. She was not a wicked woman really. She
liked the men and the bottle too. [Laughter] But she’s
alright. But she was weak, but her heart was of gold. She had a heart
of gold.
Greene:
Yes, I bet
she did.
Mollie:
...and
young Mr Woods...[Laughter]
Woods:
Yes?
Mollie:
I’ve heard all about you…[Laughter]…and I’ve heard about
you too Mrs Greene.
Greene:
Have you?
Woods:
Can you tell
us something about your world and what it's like Mollie?
Mollie:
Trying to
preach. Trying to preach to the preachers...[Laughter]
Greene:
Well we do
try and tell them something Mollie...
Mollie:
I know. Oh,
you can't tell them anything. They know all the answers...
Woods:
Oh yes
Mollie...
Mollie:
They’re
have special - they have special privileges. They’ve been taught it
all.
Woods:
Yes, you
can’t tell them anything.
Mollie:
Doesn’t
do to try and tell a parson anything.
Greene:
Mmm...
Woods:
Do you meet
many over there?
Mollie:
Oh I’ve
met a few. I’ve never had much to do with Protestant parsons in
any case, but I think that a lot of them have had to learn again.
Woods:
Yes.
Mollie:
You’re an
interesting person you are. You’ve never been to Ireland I suppose?
Woods:
No...
Greene:
I have.
Mollie:
You have?
What part have you been?
Greene:
Malahide,
near Dublin.
Mollie:
Have you been to Galway?
Greene:
No.
Mollie:
It’s a nice place and County – and Kerry? You not been to
Kerry?
Greene:
No, only
once Mollie, to Malahide.
Mollie:
I moved
about a bit until the last few years of my life, then I got a wee
little cottage. Just a little wee place but it was alright and I had
a little allowance…[Laughter]
Greene:
Mollie how
do you spend your time on the other side, what do you do with
yourself?
Mollie:
Oh I’m
quite happy, I go to school. [Laughter] Seems so funny when I talk
about it, that I go to school. But then again I’m not an old woman
anymore, but I'm learning all sorts of things. I’m learning all
sorts of things that I would have liked to have learnt in my youth. I
got no reading and writing when I was on your side. It was impossible
you know, we had no schooling. But here I'm learning all the things
that I would have like to have learnt. How to read and how to write
and paint and to draw. Oh I'm very happy here. I wouldn't want to
change my life for anything.
Greene:
When you
got on the other side, did you find that your religious teaching had
been…
Mollie:
Well I
never took it in…[Laughter]
Greene:
You never
took it in…[Laughter]
Mollie:
[Laughter]
Oh I had more sense than that...[Laughter]...dear, oh dear...I told
you that the father used to come every week, sometimes twice a week.
But I’m sure he only came out of his way because he wanted a drink,
on a cold night especially...[Laughter]...oh he used to talk to me
about it and I used to say, 'yes father, no father, that’s right
father'.
Oh but we - we got on alright. He knew that he didn’t say about - didn’t convince me. [Laughter] He used to talk and I used to let him talk.
Greene:
You were
very sensible really.
Mollie:
Well, he
had his pony and trap you know. He sometimes
gave me a ride into town. Here was quite a gay old boy. I think
he...[Unintelligible]. I think that was the chief thing.
Woods:
Yes.
Greene:
Have you now got over the drink habit?
Mollie:
Oh I’m not worried about drink now, that's all finished.
Greene:
You have? Good.
Mollie:
My old mother lived with me until she was 80 - 85. She was still
as Scots, in spite of us living with us in Ireland for many
years, she was as still as Scots as the day she was - I was going to
say - she was born. She never got out of the Scots ways, but we were
alright. For a short time we lived in Dublin. My husband - that was
when my husband was alive - oh but he was a ferryman. I wasn’t
sorry to see the back of him, he went off with some other woman. I
wasn’t sorry to see the back of him. I had three children.
Greene:
Oh yes?
Mollie:
They never
bothered to come and see me, not in the last few years of my life.
But it didn’t matter.
Greene:
How long ago was all this Mollie?
Mollie:
Oh must be
a hundred years ago now.
Greene:
Oh gosh!
Mollie:
Must be.
Greene:
The
children are over your side now then?
Mollie:
Ah, all me
people are here. I see them from time to time...[Laughter]…Oh dear,
oh dear, oh dear, when I think back to those days...I had a rough
time.
Woods:
You must
have done, yes terribly rough. And ah, what’s it like over there,
Mollie? Could you tell us something about your side of life?
Mollie:
Very nice.
It’s very wonderful place to be. It’s a very real place, it's
just as real to us as yours is to you - more so.
Woods:
Have you
still got...
Mollie:
We have our
schools for the young children and those that want to be learned, you
know, and we have all sorts of places. I haven’t seen any churches
thank God...[Laughter]
Greene:
Good!
Mollie:
Oh dear,
and the clergymen that are out of work when they get
here…[Laughter]...they have to start working for their living.
[Laughter]…and of course not in the same way that you do on Earth,
but everyone has to fulfil a place. Of course mind you, there are
some very nice men in the church - I shouldn’t say all this should
I?
But I was listening to your conversation about your…[Laughter]...about your meeting with all those clergymen...[Laughter]...Ah, you don’t have to tell me, I know, I know…[Laughter]…Oh dear oh dear. They know all answers and talk, talk, talk. Oh you just let them talk and they are happy to hear the sound of their own voice. If you just say, 'yes father' and 'no father' they're quite happy [Laughter]….Oh dear, oh dear, I don’t know I’m sure. I shouldn’t be taking...and what did you say? Oh no, no, no...
Greene:
Oh, I was
laughing...[Laughter]...Oh you haven't gone Mollie have you?
Mollie:
No, no, no.
I find this very strange, oh dear. I can’t help thinking if I'd
have known about this...Of course we used to have the wee folk, you
know, we used to have some idea of things, but of course we never
believed in communication with spirits, as you call it. Oh father
would have been down on us, of course he’d been exorcising us
all…[Laughter]
Greene:
That
wouldn’t have done any good would it?
Mollie:
No. He'd
have had his bell and his book and his candle. Oh dear, oh dear.
Greene:
You're
thoroughly enjoying yourself aren't you?
Mollie:
I'm very -
I find it very amusing coming to speak. Speaking through this thing
here, it’s like a - I don’t know what. It’s a very strange
affair altogether.
Woods:
It's very
interesting, though.
Greene:
Is it the
first time you’ve done this Mollie?
Mollie:
Oh I
haven’t been back to your side for - must be for, oh how long have
I been here now? Oh dear; 1833.
Greene:
Oh gosh!
Molly:
Goodness me.
Don’t know how long ago that is. Many years ago, now.
Greene:
Before
Queen Victoria.
Mollie:
Who is she?
Greene:
I said,
before Queen Victoria.
Mollie:
No I don’t
know anything about Queen Victorias.
Woods:
Are you -
are you still farming now? Got a little bit of land or something?
Mollie:
No, I have
more sense than that. I don't have any farms and things here. I’m
not interested in all that.
Woods:
What do you
do to occupy your time, Mollie?
Mollie:
Oh, this
man does go on…[Laughter] dear, oh dear. He keeps asking the same
bloody question...dear, oh dear, oh dear. What an extraordinary man you
are.
Woods:
I am very
interested Mollie, in what you do and all that you know Mollie, very
interesting.
Greene:
Mollie, how
are you dressed, what have you got on?
Mollie:
I've got a
skirt and a blouse and a - a shawl.
Greene:
Like they use
to do...
Mollie:
What did you expect me to come - stark
naked?
Woods:
Oh no.
Mollie:
[Laughter]
I wonder what it is that people think about us. I suppose they think
we're all running around in the baby birthday suits and floating
about on clouds and blowing bubbles or something…[Laughter]
Mr Woods:
No, we
don’t do that. Mollie.
Mollie:
No? I hope
not. [Laughter]
Woods:
No, we don’t
do that.
Mollie:
Your quite
an interesting man yourself…[Laughter]…you wouldn’t be Irish
that I can - no, no, no...
Woods:
My
grandmother was though.
Mollie:
Was she
now?
Woods:
My
grandmother yes...
Mollie:
The most
interesting mixture is Irish and Scots let me tell you.
Woods:
...my father came from the Scots. My mother came from the English. So really, I don’t know what I am.
Greene:
Do you know
Malahide, Mollie?
Mollie:
What was
that you said?
Greene:
Do you know
Malahide? Near Dublin.
Mollie:
I’m
trying to think. It was such a long time ago since I was there and I
haven’t been back since. No, I don’t remember it. Possibly - is
it a new place?
Greene:
Oh no, not
a new place. It's on the coast, lot of hotels there.
Woods:
Mollie, can
you tell us something about what you are doing your side of life?
Mollie:
Oh not
again, not again, not again man…[Laughter]…your worse than a -
worse than a preacher. Never give you any peace…[Laughter]
Greene:
Mollie is
there anything special you would like to tell us, talk to us about?
Mollie:
I have met
my husband.
Greene:
You have?
Mollie:
But we
don’t - we don’t live together. We didn’t get on at all, at
all, you know? We just didn’t hit it off, as you say, no. We didn’t
understand each other properly. We were not suited. If he hadn’t
got me into the family way I’d never have married him.
Greene:
Oh, I see.
Mollie:
It’s a
case of getting married because it was the thing to do; my mother and
his people. But we weren’t suited for each other of course. We only
lived together just a few years. My mother had a little business. She
was very clever with her needle, had a little tiny business you know,
made a little bit of money. I was very careful with my money, apart
from my bottle.
Greene:
What made
you take up the bottle Mollie?
Mollie:
Oh, when
you’re away from everything and everybody, when you’re living in
a tiny little place, miles from anywhere and your nearest neighbour
is several miles, you haven’t got much to do and I used to get me
drink. I used to go in the pony and trap sometimes and get what I
wanted. I was quite happy to live off the ground. I had my turnips
and swedes and things and parsnips. I use to live mostly on
vegetables and potatoes of course. We used to make our own, I used to
know how to make a very good drink from parsnips and things.
Greene:
Parsnip
wine?
Mollie:
Yes. When I
was short of something stronger I used to give that to my
friends...[Laughter]...I even give it to the father once or
twice...[Laughter]...he - he didn’t mind...[Laughter]...so long as
it was something. I was rather fond of the father. If he hadn’t
been a priest I might have got married to him...[Laughter]...I mean,
he wasn’t averse to a little bit of a fun on the quiet and I
probably shouldn’t talk about that should I? [Laughter]
Greene:
Well we’re
only human Mollie.
Mollie:
Oh it's a
long time ago. I shouldn’t be talking about these things, but I
suppose since it's a long time ago it can not hurt anyone, doesn’t
really matter. All I can say is, that I’m happy here in my own way.
My mother she was a good woman too [unintelligible]....
Woods:
Carry on
talking Mollie we like to...
Greene:
Come on,
don’t stop Mollie...
Mollie:
I had two
sisters who’ve I’ve met over here.
Greene:
Two
sisters?
Mollie:
Annie and
Martha. Of course, we’re often together.
Woods:
What are
they doing Mollie? Your sisters. Do live with you or do they do
something else?
Mollie:
We moved –
we moved to Ireland when I was fourteen, from Scotland.
Greene:
Oh right. Where did
you live in Scotland Mollie, can you remember that?
Mollie:
Dundee.
Greene:
Dundee?
Mollie:
Then we -
we were in Dublin for a time and then I got married and then I moved
out of Dublin. And then I moved again and again, several times,
trying to get away from people. Perhaps I shouldn’t talk about it?
It’s a long time ago, nobody can worry about that now…I’m happy
here…oh dear, oh dear.
Greene:
What do
your sisters do with themselves?
Mollie:
Oh one is a
teacher of the small, wee - of the children. She teaches the children
and the other one, she is in a hospital. But not a hospital quite as
you would call it, but a place where people are brought, who are in
need of help and attention.
You know, they haven’t
been able to sort themselves out and they need comfort and need
direction which they can get there, you see and they’re people who
need to be - I don’t know what word you’d call it but, gradually
help to settle in their new home, you know, environment and that they
can’t, sort of, sort themselves out.
Oh but I’ve been learning a great deal here and I’ve been learning such interesting things too. I was always interested in learning but I never had an opportunity when I was on your side, oh dear no. There was no time for schooling in those days.
I remember when I was a wee child we - we had no one to teach us. I never went to school for any length of time, just a few odd weeks here and there, but they weren’t proper schools. I didn’t have much time for that sort of thing.
Oh dear, oh dear. This is a strange thing. I’d heard so much about it and I thought I’d like to find out.
Greene:
Well you’ve
done very well.
Mollie:
I don’t
understand very much about it - and you’re spiritualists? Oh dear,
oh dear.
Greene:
That tickles
you doesn’t it?
Mollie:
It does. It
tickles me because I feel now that, I'm one myself. [Laughter] Oh
dear, not that I was much of one for the church, but my goodness me I
should been exorcised or whatever it is they do to people if they
know about this...[Laughter]...oh dear, oh dear.
Greene:
You're
doing very well Mollie.
Mollie:
The
churches. I don’t know...I suppose they mean well. Must give them
the benefit of the doubt…[Laughter]…oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
I’ve heard about you...[Laughter]...I’ve heard about you two and
about your meetings and about the things that you do and I thought it
would be very interesting to come and see for myself. But I don’t
think I’ll make a habit of coming back to this sort of thing. I
don’t think there’s much point in it myself. I suppose it’s
alright if someone’s relations come and talk to them, that’s very
nice and very comforting, but I can’t see that I can do much good,
I don’t think I can help you.
Oh you can Mollie...
Woods:
You can
Mollie...
Mollie:
Oh nobody
wants to hear me...
Woods:
Yes we do.
We'd like to hear you tell us something about you're - what you're
doing on that side. We'd be very interested...
Mollie:
Oh not
again. You keep on asking me, it's silly. You are a silly old man...
Woods:
Yes, but I
like to hear you tell us what you're doing Mollie. If you can tell
us...
Greene:
Well she's
told us. This is very, very good George, you know.
Woods:
It is. Very
good.
Green:
It's very
good.
Woods:
Yes.
Woods:
Come on
Mollie...
Greene:
...it’s a
new angle.
Woods:
Yes.
Mollie:
I like to
be – I like to be with all my friends here and we get together and
we sing and music. Oh I love the music...
Greene:
You
do?
Mollie:
...and I never had much opportunity on your
side for music. But here I can go into it seriously and I’ve been
to those wonderful concerts and listened to the most wonderful music
and it gives me such happiness. I think I get more happiness out of
that than anything else.
But you know, although I’ve been telling you about myself when I was on your side and I used to drink, it was because I was lonely and because I was inclined to be depressed and unhappy, you know. But I don’t have to drink here, I don’t want to drink. I’m quite sober here. I don’t drink.
You know, the funny thing is that I've lived in Ireland all those years, but I never lost my Scots accent did I? Huh I know people used to say, 'Ha, you’re not Irish'. I'd say no, I was born in Scotland. My mother was Scots, my father was Irish but - and I've lived most of my life in Ireland - but I like to think that I’m a bit of Scot and a bit of Irish..
Greene:
Oh you are.
Mollie:
...two of the
best blends…[Laughter] That’s what the father would say. You
can't beat a good Irish whiskey...[Laughter]...oh dear, oh dear. And
I'd say well the Scots whisky has a bit of the Irish, but we have to
make do with what we can get, do we not? [Laughter]
Woods:
You are
doing very well Mollie, doing very well indeed.
Mollie:
Do you like
a drop of Scots or Irish whiskey?
Woods:
No I don’t
like it.
Mollie:
It's good
for you.
Woods:
Is it,
well...
Mollie:
Have a
little nip of that every night....
Woods:
I don't like
the taste of it Mollie.
Mollie:
...do you
the world of good. It don't matter about the taste. You’ll acquire
that good quick enough…it'll do you good…[Laughter] People are
prejudiced. It’s when you do it to excess that it's bad. All the
best clergymen drink.
Woods:
Do they?
Mollie:
Well, what
I can be make out of it. [Laughter]
Greene:
Well I
wouldn’t be surprised.
Mollie:
There’s
nothing wrong with the Church.
Greene:
There’s
nothing wrong with it?
Mollie:
Well what I
should say there’s nothing wrong with the teachings of Christ.
Woods:
Oh yes.
Quite.
Greene:
Oh yes.
Definitely not.
Mollie:
But I’m
afraid they don’t seem to know very much about what they are
talking about...
Woods:
I quite
agree with you Mollie.
Mollie:
Christ
knew. Christ understood. Perhaps one day I might meet him.
Greene:
Maybe you
will.
Mollie:
I don’t
know. A lot of people have such strange ideas.
Greene:
Christ was
quite an ordinary man Mollie. It's the church that put him on a
pedestal.
Woods:
Go on talking
Mollie, we like to hear you talk. Right?
Mollie:
I don’t
think I can say very much more - I have to go.
Woods:
Well you're
doing very well.
Mollie:
I don’t
think I shall come and talk to you again.
Greene:
Oh
please...
Woods:
Yes. Oh yes.
Mollie:
No. No. You
want someone intelligent, someone that can talk to you sensibly about
it...
Woods:
No Mollie,
we like to hear you...you've done very well indeed.
Mollie:
...but the
extraordinary thing is, that when I get like this, it's somehow as if
all sorts of ideas and thoughts to do with the past keep coming, you
know...
Greene:
Yes.
Mollie:
...and I’d
much rather be able to concentrate on things to do with my own life
here. But as soon as I get down to your side, it seems that the past
does become predominant - is that what you say? You know and…well,
you don't want to talk - to listen to all that.
So I should have tried to have concentrated more on things that were important, I assure you. But they always - I understand - that they always say that you should always tell people who you are and what you were and all the rest of it...
Greene:
Quite right.
Mollie:
I shouldn’t
have thought that was as important as what you are now. There’s
very few people that can come back and say they were anything very
much, if they're honest.
Woods:
No.
Mollie:
Seems to me
that we all made a lot of mistakes and none of us a very -
particularly good. I think it’s the present and the future that
matters, not so much the past. Anyway you don't want to talk to me, I
must go.
Greene:
Well its
been very nice of you to...
Mollie:
I hope - I
hope, but I don’t know, perhaps I will come and talk to you again,
just for a moment. But I must say, I'm highly amused...oh dear, oh
dear...[Laughter]...
I can't help thinking
about the old days, as I come here. I think what would the parson or
the priest would have thought…oh dear, oh dear, he would have put
up his hands in horror and ask for a drink straight away, to get over
the shock of it. [Laughter]
Goodbye.
Greene:
Goodbye
Mollie. Bless you. Thank you love.
Woods:
Thank you for
coming Mollie.
Mollie:
[Laughter]
Goodbye and God bless you...oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. It's very
nice...[Laughter]...what nice people. But how different everything
is...I shouldn't want to be on your side now…oh and the people and
everything...[unintelligible]...it's not like it used to be - quiet
and peaceful. No no no. No, the world has changed and I wouldn't want
to come back to it…oh dear, oh dear...
Greene:
Oh it was
marvellous.
Woods:
[unintelligible]
Greene:
Pardon?
Woods:
It was
strange wasn't it?
Greene:
I tell you
what is - that was so good.
Woods:
It is good.
Greene:
I'll tell
you what...
Marshall:
Actually,
really in a sense, perhaps in a sense, there is nothing of great
value, there isn't probably anything of real value in what our friend
said. But it was done deliberately because of the interesting
character and the personality, which will help to show people that
even after 100 years a person when contacting Earth again, even for
the very first time like that, still has the same sort of personality
- it’s a very strong character.
Greene:
Yes.
Marshall:
...and,
its done deliberately. Not so much for the value in the
communication, but rather that you should have an example of the
personality existing even after such a long time. Anyway perhaps she
may come again.
Greene:
Is that Dr
Marshall?
Marshall:
We want to bring various people who
have very strong personalities and characters, so that you have a
series of records of interesting characters. Not so much because they
were famous, but rather because they’re able to assert their
personality and I think it would be of interest to many. Yes it is.
Greene:
Well Dr
Marshall that was particularly interesting because when she came back
to Earth, she came back into her Earth conditions as a drunk woman
and giggled like a drunk woman would.
Marshall:
Yes, well
of course, that's association of thought my dear.
Greene:
Yes, that's
so good.
Marshall:
You see,
as she contacts Earth she, sort of, automatically adjusts and thinks
of herself as she was. If you could hear her as she is now, you'd
find an entirely different personality and character. It was the
asserting, even the unconscious, if you like, assimilation of the old
self. But anyway I think you’ll find it interesting. Goodbye. I
must go now.
Greene:
Bye bye Dr
Marshall.
Woods:
Thank you Dr
Marshall.
Mickey:
Goodbye.
Greene:
Bye bye
Mickey. Thank you love.
Woods:
Bye Mickey. Thank you very much Mickey.