The Leslie Flint Educational Trust

Note: This 30 year-old recording is an extract from an hour-long group séance.

Present: Leslie Flint, Anne, Keith, Arthur, Pat, Robert Kennedy, Lynne.
Communicator: Winston Churchill

Churchill:

There are times that it must be very difficult for people to understand. As a matter of fact, when I was on your side, though I didn’t make a practice of it, I did sit with mediums. I thought it wisest not to make it common knowledge.

During those difficult years, I had one or two interesting experiences and I was helped in some directions anyway. But, of course, you know, it’s always very much more difficult for people in positions such as I had, to make it public knowledge.

Sitter:
[Coughing]

Churchill:
You know, I suppose it’s to be expected really that, uh, people should have, to some extent, an illusion about us. I suppose it’s extraordinary looking back on time how people really did build up, you know, a picture or an image which really, quite strangely, was not the reality of the person himself or herself if it comes to that.

It was a very difficult time, but we came through it. But my god how? How? And the suffering of untold millions of innocent peoples that were involved.

I've met many [a] person over here who, quite strangely, I probably really, looking back on my life, I didn’t ever think to see again. I don’t know if I hold very strong views in some respects about religion. I suppose automatically one does follow one’s parents, one’s impressions and ideas that have been set into one’s head from infancy.

But, uh, I do now know, above all else, that life continues. Death is not the end. In a way it's the biggest illusion of the lot.

The reality of self, the reality of the spirit within, that can overcome. You know it’s the spirit of the British people that overcame the evils of Hitler and the rest. Of course, there were others also very much concerned and very much caught up with the struggle against evil.

But, uh, I think, looking back in your world now, I can’t help feeling a great sadness. That there isn’t greater understanding between the peoples in high places. You know as well as I do that if it hadn’t been for Russia...I’m not saying we wouldn’t have won the war, but I think it would have been carrying on for a much longer period.

And the Russian people were magnificent and it saddens me and indeed as it does everyone else here to see the animosity, to see the situation which has arisen over the last few years, whereas the hand of brotherhood should have been stretched so that the world would indeed have been a much happier and a much safer place, but there you are.

Politics. I realise only too well how, through fear as much as anything, mistakes are made on all sides.

We are very concerned, I’m very concerned particularly, in regard to the situation in your world in the Middle East and of course the old, old question of Ireland, which has never diminished - indeed, it worsens. There are various things that I might say, but I don’t think it would be very, at this point in your time, advisable.

But I just want you to know that many of us here on this side of life are deeply involved and concerned about your world. There is so much in your world that causes concern, and we only hope that there will be a greater and a better understanding between America and Russia.

That seems to me to be the beginning of some solution that could bring about eventual peace and tranquillity of spirit, but of course, we are very, very concerned about the Middle East. And I don’t want to start making promises, but I can tell you there will be something happen in the Far East which will perhaps not come altogether as a surprise, but will be the beginning of something which could bring about a greater and more peaceful situation in the time that lies ahead.

But you know, unfortunately, you are not dealing altogether with rational people. They are very irrational, very stupid, if I might so say. But uh, there will be a suddenness, and there will be a transformation which will come about through something that happens, uh...I am not prophesying a war, uh, in fact, I'm - if I am prophesying at all - in the opposite direction.

I will say this; that what looks as if one is on the brink is not necessarily so. There will come about certain circumstances that will change the whole aspect of things...

Sitter:
[Unintelligible]

Churchill:
...in the Middle East.

Anyway, I haven't come here to talk politics, uh...I know that you dear people, uh, come together, uh, in the hope of developing the power of the spirit which is laid dormant within, as indeed it is all peoples. I wish you well. You’ve got some jolly good friends and wonderful helpers here and you’ve got the spirit to succeed and the desire to serve and to help. That is the vital thing above all else, the desire to be of service.

And the only way to achieve anything of any value is to forget yourselves in loving service one to the other. You know, one comes up against all manner and all kind of people in your world who are searching, in a way, probably very sincerely, who are wanting to know more about themselves.

Sitter:
Mmm...

Churchill:
Well, I think if you are less concerned about yourself that’s when you start to make spiritual progression. Leave self alone let it find its own level and gradually you will open up your consciousness to the reality of life, spiritual and, in a sense, while still on earth, material.

I understand the problems only too well some of you face. Life isn’t always easy, isn't always the way in which you wish it might go individually and sometimes indeed collectively. But you dear people have seen a glimmer of the light of the spirit. Let it burst into a full flame. There's no reason why you shouldn’t, you've all been sincerely investigating, sincerely endeavouring to be of service, and each one of you will develop to some extent. And the power that you are utilising will open up in a way which may well surprise you. Don’t get disheartened about it. And as for that American fellow...

Robert:
Yes, sir?

Churchill:
What a lucky man you are.

[Laughter]

To have such a nice, little sweet soul to take such an interest in you.

Robert:
Thank you very much...

Churchill:
I suppose you do deserve it?

[Laughter]

Robert:
I also...

Churchill:
I hope so, for your sake.

Anne:
Is that Oliver?

Pat:
No...

Churchill:
Now, we have [a] great, great desire to help each one of you.

No! Good heavens! Perhaps I am not making...I don’t know what it sounds like, all I know is that I stand in front of this mechanism, whatever it is, and concentrate my thoughts upon it and then you hear what I am trying to convey. Whether it sounds as I once was when on earth, I can’t say. It's obviously it’s easier for you to decide.

But you know I did my best and I got you out, eventually, of the mire, uh...well, but I don’t want to go into all that...[unintelligible]

Anne:
Is it Churchill?
Is it Mr Churchill?

Pat:
No, no, no...

Churchill:
Winston.

Anne:
Is it Winston?

Churchill:
Course it’s Winston.

Robert:
Oh good!

Anne:
Is it Winston Churchill?

[Group exclaim surprise]

Churchill:
I've been standing here...

Anne:
Oh yes?

Churchill:
...ever since you came into this room and I thought, well, if it is possible I will manifest.

Anne:
Yes...

Churchill:
And it's not as easy as one might think...

Anne:
No, no...

Churchill:
But, uh...

Anne:
It's wonderful to hear you.

Churchill:
Of course, I can't tell, as well as you can tell, how I am managing. But I just want you all to know...that we send all our love, all our blessings and carry on the wonderful work of the spirit.

Anne:
Oh yes...

Churchill:
Be of good heart. Don’t get down, don’t get depressed. These things take time.

Anne:
Yes.

Churchill:
And what a lucky man that fellow is...

Robert:
Bless you sir!

Churchill:
...that American chap.

Robert:
Thank you very much, sir.

Churchill:
Ah, well, god bless you.

Robert:
God bless you sir.

Anne:
...and thank you!

Churchill:
Bye-bye!

Group:
Bye-bye.

This transcript was kindly created for the Trust by Karyn Jarvie - October 2018