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How Percea may have appeared.
From a drawing by Sir Hubert von Herkomer.
Photographed by Geogre P Landow.
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The Percea séance

Recorded March 15th 1965


"Christ was so different

to what the church teaches."



With George Woods and Betty Greene attending,

this sincerely spiritual talk comes
from an aged communicator calling himself Percea.

Although, the recording begins with Mickey,
who is in a very flippant mood...

 
 

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Read the full transcript below, as you listen...


Present
: Leslie Flint, George Woods, Betty Greene.

Spirit Communicators: Mickey, Percea.



Flint:

This séance was recorded on the 15th of March 1965. Sitters, Mrs Greene and Mr Woods. Medium Leslie Flint.




Woods:

Nice to hear you, Mickey.


Mickey:

I was listening to your conversation about food.


Greene:

Oh were you? Making your mouth water Mickey?


Mickey:

No not at all. I was just thinking how necessary it is to have food for the body and food for the spirit.


Greene:

Quite right.


Woods:

Uh, we - we have - when we come to the meetings you see, to hear the tapes, Mickey we have to...


Mickey:

I suppose you feed them up, um, with food to give them strength to take the food of the message of the spirit.


[Laughter]


Greene:

That's right.


Woods:

That's right, Mickey.


Greene:

Oh I like to give 'em a good tea, Mickey.


Mickey:

Well, it’s a problem, ain't it? You can't please everybody, whether you put cakes in front of them or sandwiches or spiritual food. There's bound to be some people say, ‘Oh, I don't like that you know.’ Ha, ha, ha, ha!


[Laughter]


Mickey:

‘Oh, it gives me indigestion - either psychic, spiritual or physical.’


[Laughter]


Greene:

Well I suppose you could get psychic indigestion, couldn't you?


Mickey:

Oh yes, in a kind of way, yes.


Woods:

Anyway, we keep on, Mickey.


Mickey:

You should definitely serve unleavened bread for some of those people.


Flint:

[Laughing] Unleavened bread!


Greene:

I don't know how to bake it…


Mickey:

Pardon?


Greene:

I don't know how to bake it, Mickey.


Mickey:

Well I haven't a clue either.


[Laughter]


Greene:

Oh well, how are you?


Mickey:

Oh there's nothing wrong with me.


Greene:

Good.


Mickey:

It's you I'm worried about.


Greene:

Me?


Mickey:

Well, the pair of you.


Greene:

Oh.


Woods:

Why are you…?


Greene:

What are you worried about us for?


Mickey:

Well I know...you know what I mean. There's nothing wrong with us on this side in that sense, but um, with you people on your side there's all sorts of problems aren't there, that arise? And con-con-confusions and people who just don't seem to realise how necessary it is to exert themselves to be understanding and open-minded and how to advance, in any sense - unless they've got an open mind. You see, the point is, that a lot of people's minds are so closed.


Greene:

Oh I know…


Mickey:

They're so cluttered up, aren't they?


Greene:

Oh yeah.


Woods:

We’ve had a difficulty with many of them this week who have so closed-minds…


Mickey:

Oh, well you're bound to. They don't want to hear anything that doesn't support what they already think they know.


Woods:

No.


Mickey:

You see they've already made up their minds. Huh! And as long as you play something to them what supports what they, uh, are highly, uh, opinionated about, well you're on the same side, but God help you if you ain't.


[Laughter]


Woods:

That’s quite right right, Mickey.


Mickey:

‘Oh I don't think I believe that, you know. I couldn't possibly accept that. Oh no…’’ You know. Oh dear! “…because we're on a very high vibration you know. Oh dear.’


[Laughter]


Greene:

Well we've already had somebody who said that they're on the higher teachings, whereas, more or less, we’re on the lower ones, you know.


Mickey:

Yes that's all right. I should think they must feel bloody uncomfortable. That's all I can say.


[Laughter]


Mickey:

Oh dear, makes you smile. I suppose they're in regular communication with Jesus speaking in perfect English.


Flint:

[Laughing]


Woods:

Oh yes we've had that, Mickey.


Greene:

Oh we've had that Mick, too yes.


Flint:

[Coughing]


Mickey:

Poor old mole's place…*


[Laughter]


Mickey:

Old mole’s…


Greene:

Oh?


Woods:

We have all sorts, Mickey, all sorts.


Mickey:

It's amazing how people will swallow some of this rather, really quite stupid when you analyse it and say, ‘oh that's wonderful, dear!’ You know. I don't suppose it - oh, I suppose if she went into a trance she'd frighten herself to death.


Flint:

[Laughing] Oh dear, oh dear!


Woods:

Mmm. It would.


Mickey:

I suppose there are some people that have never been out of one.


Greene:

That's probably true, Mickey.


Flint:

[Coughing]


Woods:

One gentleman said, last week, he’d never heard of it. He said. ‘Ooh’ he says, ‘isn't it frightening?’ he says, ‘to go there and you can see what we do?’ ‘It's not frightening’, I said, ‘it’s a very nice thing to…’


Mickey:

Shows he’s got a conscience, don’t it?


Flint:

[Laughing] Oh dear!


Greene:

Yes…


Flint:

Oh dear, oh dear…


Woods:

Well, we're very happy trying to be a help to others Mickey.


Mickey:

Long as you don't get superior.


Woods:

Mickey, you'll never need to worry…


Mickey:

The more humble you are, the more likelihood there is of more understanding and more realisation of truth. But if you get all that attitude; ‘oh of course I know it dear. Yes of course, we couldn't possibly see eye to eye, but that's far….oh no!’
You know, and all that lark.


Woods:

There’s no fear of that…with us Mickey.


Flint:

[Laughing]


Mickey:

Just imagine old Betty there. Ooh, if she was like that; ‘oh no…of course I'm on a very high vibration you know, I…’
Oh dear. Blimey, it wouldn't be old Bet would it?


Greene:

[Laughing] No it wouldn't Mickey. Quite right!


Flint:

[Laughing]


Woods:

No it wouldn't Mickey.


Mickey:

People must learn to face truth and facts. They get in this high-falutin' state and it's usually the people who're getting old you know, really getting advanced in years. Quite often these people, they take it like that. Oh blimey!


Woods:

I know…


Mickey:

The youngsters, thank God, have got a much more open mind.


Greene:

They have, yes.


Mickey:

They're the ones you want to go after. The old clots'll find out very soon, so why bother with them?


Flint:

[Laughing] Oh dear!


Woods:

[Laughing]


Greene:

It’s very difficult to get hold of youngsters Mickey, you know?


Mickey:

You take my advice and go for the young ‘uns and you let the old ‘uns get on with it.


Greene:

We do. We try, but it's very difficult to get a hold of young people.


Woods:

We had two young people…


Mickey:

You won't get far with that there, um, Church Fellowship lark.**


Greene:

No, I know.


Woods:

We had two people yesterday Mickey, they were quite…they were very…


Flint:

[Coughing]


Woods:

…very pleased with our talk.


Mickey:

All I can say about them is, their surplices want washing.


Flint:

[Laughing]


Greene:

Surplices? [Laughing] Easter's coming, Mickey. They always wash them at Easter.


Mickey:

Oh thank God for that. I reckon they should read the Omo*** adverts.


[Laughter]


Greene:

Or Daz?


Mickey:

Or Daz*** yes. [Long pause] They certainly could put their halos in it.


[Laughter]


[Long pause]

Percea:

We’re listeners…


Woods:

Hello?


Greene:

Good morning friend.


Woods:

Morning.


Percea:

Good morning.


Woods:

Good morning.


Percea:

I was listening to our friend.


Greene:

[Laughs]


Woods:

Yes?


Percea:

I admire his sense of humour.


Woods:

Yes?


Percea:

He is a remarkable person and he certainly has a remarkable sense of humour. And I can only tell you that it is a very important factor to have a remarkable sense of humour. Without it, I think most of us would be lost, if not all of us. Whether we were on your side or whether we were on this. In the early stages of coming here, I think one must develop - if one hasn't already - a sense of humour. Because wherever there are human beings, and believe me we are very human, it’s very necessary to have a sense of humour.


People have these strange ideas about life after so-called death. The vast majority of them have the strangest conception of what it means. And indeed the vast majority are completely wrong. This world is a real world composed of real people, whose thoughts themselves have created the very circumstances in which they find themselves. It's not a world that has been prepared, in a sense, before they arrive. They themselves have prepared it by their very thoughts and actions while on Earth. In other words they have created the very environment to which they will eventually enter. But fortunately nothing is static.


If it were so, if there were such a thing as a static life or existence, there could be no…no realisation whatsoever of anything. Because if it were not so - that life were continuous, inasmuch that we gain new knowledge and new experience, if we were not…not fluidic and if we not not, as it were, constantly revising our thoughts and ideas and our conceptions of truth - there could be no life at all.


It is motion and change. It is the realisation that we are constantly adding to and taking away from, within ourselves, that we are as we are, that we have life at all. That is the answer in a simple nutshell. In a sense, it is the whole answer. Of course there are many, many aspects of this great truth. But the whole point is, that when man realises that he is constantly adding to his knowledge, constantly changing his outlook and his ideas, that he is entering all the time into a world of thought. And it is thought that makes possible the very conditions under which you live and exist - whether it is in your world or this.


Your world is a thought world. You are living in a condition which man, through generations of time, has created. If there is chaos and fear and unhappiness, if there is talk of war and war should come, it is man's doing. Man's thoughts have become active and created the circumstance and the situation. Man is always railing against God, saying; ‘why does God permit this’ and ‘why does God permit that?’ The whole point is, that God in himself - if one tries to visualise such a thing as a God or a personality - God is, in a sense, standing adrift and apart from mankind.


But then again, we on this side who have some knowledge - I think far removed from yours - do not accept God in the orthodox knowledgeable sense that man accepts him, particularly the man of religion. Man's religious upbringing and teachings have confused him and have confused generations. Man, if he wants to understand the mysteries of the universe, must begin first with himself. He must begin to know himself.


In India there used to be this realisation, which still exists - that man must know himself. Man must turn within himself to find the beginnings of truth. Even the teachings of the Christ were identical. Indeed, much that the Christ preached and much that has been added and much that has been given out, through the generations of time, have been from old truths. Christ knew that man first had to seek within. For within yourself is the beginnings of realisation, the beginnings of knowledge, the beginnings of truth, the beginnings of growth. And it is that part of man that is indestructible, that will show him the path, the way, and the light.


"I am the light," said Christ, but he meant not as the world thinks, that he was the saviour of the world, in as much that he was God on Earth incarnate. He meant that that which came from within himself and illuminated his whole being, which gave confidence and gave…gave trust and realisation to his disciples. And it was this inner truth, this inner knowledge, this inner realisation - this realisation that the body was but the machine, the temporary machine, uh, which was, fundamentally, only the outer covering, the outer shell. The reality, the personality, the spirit, the mind, all that is man that is indestructible and eternal, is that which is within.


We must get down to these facts and to these realisations, that within man is a potential and it is this potential that is, in itself, the indestructible spirit that cannot die. For that which is of the mind and of the spirit lives on, and the body deceased has no more meaning or being as such, and is indeed lost and forgotten in time itself. But the reality, the reality of the spirit, this is a different matter. Man will find for himself that which he has created, either through his knowledge or his ignorance. He will create for himself exactly, identically, those vibrations and conditions of life which are best suited to himself, for such a time until he himself begins to struggle and emerge into a higher state of being.


It is truly like the chrysalis and the butterfly and those who say otherwise know not truth. No man can find truth in a complete form. There is no such thing, indeed one might say, as complete truth. For truth can never be complete.


Truth is, as it were, something which is a part of, it is something which is added to, something which grows, something which is in itself so immense, that the mind nor the spirit can fully grasp it in any stage of evolution. If it were so, that we knew all truth, there would be no point in life. It is that which makes it so interesting and exciting and that which is eventually fulfilled in part. It is this that makes us struggle. It is this which makes life itself possible and tolerable and understandable. Those who tell you they have all truth, that that particular creed or religion that they adhere to is the whole truth, are fools!


They do not know only but an aspect of truth. Quite often the aspect of truth they have is so coloured, so indeed added to, by generations of wrong thinking, that they have almost lost the very particle that they first possessed.


The true Christianity for instance, as taught in the early years, the early stages of its development, is far different a thing to that which you see around and about you. Where’er you go you have confusion, you have uncertainty. You have so much, given out as solid fact, which bears no bearing upon truth at all. Those who would seek truth, as Christ said and all the great prophets said, that you must seek first within. And you must, in many instances, forget much that you have already learned. When your mind is freed and uncluttered and opened, so you will find entering into it divine intelligence and divine thought.


Those of us who come to you, varying as we must and do and are happy to be so varied a band of brothers, coming from different spheres and different conditions of life, will give you our different knowledge and aspect of truth. It all bounds down…binds down to the one truth, but we are all giving you aspects of it. We are all like chains in a great…we are all like links in a great chain of strength and indeed, it grows in such a way. The immensity of it is so tremendous that one cannot in any way hope that you shall fully grasp.


But remember that each link in that chain is strong and firm and sure. It may be that some soul may come to you from some sphere and give you certain knowledge and impression and insight, but remember that he will never claim to know all truth. He will never claim that he is the great messiah or the great teacher. Indeed I would say to you; be so suspicious of all those that come with high words and high ideas, that they may try to impress you that they are truly the greatest of all.

 
For those who come from the highest spheres and the highest states oft-times come in the most lowly guise - even the great prophets of old and the great Master Jesus. They did not arrive - as so often those who seem to arrive from this side, according to that which you listen to…they do not arrive with pomp and ceremony and high phrases and high words. They did not make great claims.


Christ was born in the most humble of circumstance. The whole of his life was spent in humbleness of spirit and humbleness of material condition. He made no great claims. These claims that are given to the Christ are what others have made for him, so that they could, in turn, build a great organisation or organisations, of which it has so developed - far removed from the simple teachings a man of humbleness and of great spiritual awareness.


Christ was so different to what the church teaches. Christ knew the power that lay within. He knew the power of the great spirit that was in-dwelling and which he could express its power and its love and overcome much of the material in consequence. But the whole history of the Christ is so different to what so many would have you believe.


He himself knew that within himself was the power that could overcome all things, which it did, even death. Death is not the great divider. Death is not that which you should fear. Death is the gateway to release - a new knowledge and experience. No one should fear that.


Woods:

Excuse me. Could you give me your name please?


Percea:

My name will convey little or nothing to you.


Woods:

I know, but…


Percea:

But my name is Percea.


Woods:

Percea?


Percea:

It is a name which will not ring clear in your head. For it is a name as old…as old as time. In as much that it goes back many thousands of years. There will be those who will say, ‘what proof, what evidence have you of this?’ But that in itself is of as little consequence. It is not the voice. It is not the name. It is but the message of the spirit that is important. There will be those who will not understand this and those who will say it is not so. But I say to those who listen to my voice; do not concern yourself with names. Do not concern yourself with what one was, but what one is, what one has become.


Listen to the message of the spirit, for it is but the voice of the spirit that mattereth, not that name or that place which once was the home of the physical material body. For all men have many bodies at many times. There are many who will not like this thought, many who will not agree or accept. But it is because they think wrong, in as much that they like to feel that they are one body, one spirit, that they are not, as it were, different. That they are, in themselves, individual to the extent that they must not and cannot share themselves with others.


There are those who talk about the brotherhood of man. There are those who talk about being one in spirit and in truth. But when it comes to the actual fact of realising what that means, they are afraid of it and dislike it and turn their back on it. But until one has learned to live in many ways, in many lives, in many bodies, under many forms and guises - until one has assimilated everything that one can from Earthly life and has grown in mental and spiritual stature - and until one has become absorbed in the reality of life eternal, until you forget self in such a complete sense that you become part of a group soul…


In other words, in a sense, though you retain an individuality and an identity and a shape and a form and if necessary even a name, that is not the important thing. It is that you are part of the great Holy Spirit. That you are indeed truly an individual in as much that you retain, to some extent, an individual sense, but you have become so [much a] part of life and the fullness of life and the intelligence of life and you have become so immersed in the spirit, that you have lost all the material conceptions. That you are quite content to be expressing eternal truth. In other words, we are all part of eternal truth. We are all part of eternal life. And we have lost all the things which make us, often, individual in the wrong shape or sense or form.


In other words the worser has gone from us and only the good remains. And it is the good that lifts us up into the heights of spiritual consciousness and awareness. And if we wish to return to Earth to converse or to make some comment or to advise or to help or to give, as we oft-times do of ourselves, we reassert ourselves in a sense so that we can be heard or that we can be recognised in a…in certain ways. But this in itself is as naught. What is important is the message of the spirit. 


People say, ‘oh I speak at my sittings or my seances to this or that soul. His name is so-and-so and he lived in such a place, at such a time when on Earth.’ All this is of interest. All this is, in a sense to you, important, because it helps you to have some form of recognition and it gives you the opportunity to discuss us as individuals.


But we all come to you with great intelligence. I'm not so concerned with the fact of name and of place. We are concerned with the divine message of life eternal, that you shall be imbued with the desire to serve truth and to give truth out where’er you go. But there are those in your world, as you well know, whom you cannot reach, for they are full of themselves. And this is the thing that I want to stress. It is until you lose yourself that you find yourself, not until.


Those who are full of their own self and think that all that they know is so and right and just, that there is no harm, no fault, no mistake in that which they have and which they would imbue to others - this is the fallacy. This is the mistake.


When man is like a vessel that is empty and clean, truly the waters of life and of the spirit and of truth can be poured therein. But it must be gently poured. It must not be over-brimming or overflowing, for then it is waste and much is lost. And so it is that we who come to you are vessels of the spirit and we replenish as you will that vessel.


Because in a sense, that which we do for you and through you, we receive from you that which you as you yourself express and become, some power and vitality that enables us to continue our effort and our work on your behalf. But if we were to come over-full, over-brimming and you were to receive too much too soon, it would not be good and we could not assist nor help you. We must come and give you, gently, that which we know: that you might be refreshed for the moment. A new wine must be poured into the old bottles. You, my children, are learning fast.


But at the same time it is not easy, the task that is set you, that you might convey this to others. There will be those who will taste and find it bitter, because they themselves have not been prepared, are not ready. Indeed, to some it will be like a medicine which could cure them, but they like not the taste of it and will turn away from it and they will still retain their sickness. There are many who will not receive the medicine of the spirit, because they will be afraid. They will look upon you, perhaps, as doctors that are not efficient, that know not their business or their trade. I say to you that you will revive many and many shall be rejoiced because of you.


Many shall be refreshed and brought back to health and many shall see a new life lying ahead, clear before them and they shall be overjoyed. But there will be those who will be afraid of you, will not trust you, will not accept that which you give. These you can do little for. For their trial and tribulation and unhappiness and all the things - the evils, as the world calls them - they may yet have to learn and experience. Your world is a training ground for the soul. And when man realises that, that he creates by his thoughts and his actions the very conditions into which he finds himself, when he aspires in the highest sense to the truth that is there waiting to be received, so shall he expand and grow in his knowledge and his estate.


Great are the things that can be conveyed by the spirit. But only when man himself is prepared to learn, to listen and to partake and to drain himself clear of all the thoughts that prevent his acceptance. When the mind is too full and too cluttered, there is no room for new truth, new thoughts new ideas.


Man must learn to, as it were, to cast from himself much of the pre-conceived notion and idea, the erroneous thoughts and ideas that he has accepted - quite often without concerning himself too deeply as to their truth. Cast out error and open your mind to knowledge and truth and then shall you be free. And as your freedom expands and your knowledge grows, so shall you lift yourself so high indeed. And yet as you lift yourself to the heights, the new knowledge and the new revelation will make you even more humble. 


Distrust all those who come saying that they come from high estate and that they are of themselves highly to be revered. For those who come with truth are humble in truth. They have no doubts, no real…no doubts whatsoever within themselves, that they are as it were, but small in the sight of great truth.


The greater the truth we know the more humble we become. And I will say to you also, be of good faith and be humble in it. Go forth in the darkness of your world and transmit that light that you have seen. Though it may not always pierce sufficiently to your liking and others, the gloom of your world, yet it shall be a light and others shall come to it and be drawn to it and they shall seek and they shall find. And their light shall so grow, as the great Christ himself said, ‘let your light shine before the world, that all who see it may rejoice and see the glory of the heavens.


You, my children, have done much, but much more yet ye shall do. Great are the encompassing ones who come to you, from the varying degrees of illumination and mind and thought and of spirit. But all come as brothers together in harmony and in love and there is no doubting, no fearing, only trusting and loving and assuring at all times the wisdom of the most high. That the spheres of the spirit may truly enjoin with the sphere of the Earth, that all who seek shall find and the light shall truly go forth to illumine the path of all mankind. 


Be ye, children of my faith, good and strong and have no doubts and fears for we shall not fail, for that which we do is truly greater than ourselves.



END OF RECORDING


* Old Mole = phrase to describe a person who works in the dark. In this case, perhaps, a séance medium.

** Church Fellowship = The Churches Fellowship for Psychical and Spiritual Studies.


*** Daz / Omo = vintage brands of soap powder.


This transcript was created for the Trust by Lorie McCloud in 2017