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John Brown (December 1826 – March 1883)
 with Victoria (May 1819 – January 1901)
Photographed together in 1863 at Balmoral Castle.


The Victoria and John Brown
séance

Recorded: November 11th 1963


In this short extract from a 1963
séance recording,
after Rose Creet had spoken with Benjamin Disraeli,
she hears the voice of Queen Victoria of England

who makes it quite clear, 

that she is no longer Queen and simply 'Victoria'...

She refers to her husband Albert,
with whom she now shares her life 'in paradise'

and explains that her royal 'ghillie' - Scotsman John Brown - was also
a Spirit Medium, through whom her husband once communicated...

Later, John Brown speaks for himself and recommends
that Flint should take a wee drop of whisky for his cold !

 

Note: Although this 55 year old recording has been enhanced, it is not to modern standards.

 

Please read the transcript below as you listen...



Present: Leslie Flint, Rose Creet.

Spirit Communicators: Victoria, John Brown, Mickey.


Rose Creet:
Hello? Are you there? Benjamin?

Victoria:
One day…


Rose Creet:
Yes…

Victoria:
…it may be possible…


Rose Creet:
Yes…

Victoria:
…for quite a number of us to come.

Rose Creet:
Yes, I quite understand that. I would like to know who's speaking to me. It's very difficult, you know. I can only hear a voice.


Victoria:
I have come with John.

Rose Creet:
With John ?


Victoria:
My good friend.

Rose Creet:
Yes ? Tell me more. Tell me who you are…your name? So that I can address you by your name. Won’t you?

Victoria:
I too was privileged in my lifetime to know of this great truth…

Rose Creet:
Oh well…


Victoria:
…and John Brown was my Medium. The same as you, my dear, have an instrument - so did I.

Rose Creet:
Is that Queen Victoria ?


Victoria:
I am Victoria.

Rose Creet:
Oh how lovely!

Victoria:
But no longer a Queen.

Rose Creet:
No. No, you’re just your natural self now.

Victoria:
Many people did not understand the close link that had been forged between John and myself.

Rose Creet:
Yes. Oh how interesting. Do…

Victoria:
…but he was the link between myself and my dear husband…

Rose Creet:
Albert.

Victoria:
…with whom I am now truly in paradise.

Rose Creet:
Oh I’m so pleased to hear that…


Victoria:
But I could not speak of these things when I was on your side. It would not have been the right thing for me to have done. It would have been misunderstood.

Rose Creet:
I believe you had a diary in which you wrote those things…

Victoria:
I kept religiously, day by day, a diary. And also all the communications that transpired between myself and my dear husband.

Rose Creet:
I believe they…


Victoria:
…they all, I understand, after my death, were discarded.

Rose Creet:
That’s right, yes. What a pity.

Victoria:
Palmerston and others…

Rose Creet:
He came through and spoke some time ago to me…


Victoria:
Benjamin Disraeli…

Rose Creet:
Yes.


Victoria:
…who tried to speak to you a moment or two ago - he was a remarkable person.


Rose Creet:
I believe so. He was a great favourite of yours wasn’t he Victoria ?


Victoria:
He was indeed, a great favourite. A very great favourite of mine. He was a good man. Of course, like all human beings, he made mistakes.

Rose Creet:
Naturally, yes.

Victoria:
But I couldn't stand that.

Rose Creet:

Oh? [Laughing]…yes I know.


Victoria:
But I now think, that in many respects I misjudged him, and I’ve apologised to him.

Rose Creet:
Gladstone has been through before…


Victoria:
We all are inclined to misunderstand each other…

Rose Creet:
Rather. That’s the trouble in the world.

Victoria:
…and in my position, with my background, my upbringing - surrounded as I was by so many faint speakers and so many soft spoken people…


Rose Creet:
Yes.


Victoria:
…it was very difficult. One would say this and the other would say something else and then it would be implied to me that the other person was not truthful and it was only after many years, that I began to see a little more clearly and a little more deeply about human nature. I could tell you a great number of things…


Rose Creet:
I wish you would…


Victoria:
…which perhaps one I may be able to do…

Rose Creet:
Oh yes please Victoria, I would love that.  It would be most…

Victoria:
…and perhaps one day my dear husband will come and speak to you.

Rose Creet:
I would like that very much too.

Victoria:
We are still very, very concerned and very interested in all that transpires in your world. That is from the point of view, not exactly only [appointed], but from the point of view of the good that might yet come, when people begin to know and realise and understand more about each other and all the barriers, that we hope and pray, one day may be broken down and true men may live and dwell in peace together. How different it is, even today, from my time when we had a vast empire.

Rose Creet:
Yes.


Victoria:
Now many of the old barriers are gone and many new nations are beginning to arise. They are having their teething troubles, but I think eventually, there will come a greater realisation and a greater way of peace among the nations. We are all working towards this common end, for the common good.

We may not perhaps be able to do a great deal, but we do impress and we do inspire, wherever it is possible. We have tried desperately to help in many ways. It’s very difficult but we endeavour to do all that we can and of course, we have a special concern for this country. That is only natural, but at the same time we see not just England, but we see the whole world, for we seek true brotherhood amongst nations and people, that they may live as friends together in peace and tranquility. Working to do the will of God while yet on Earth.

It will come eventually, though it may seem a long way off, yet truly I am sure it must come.

How privileged you are my child, to have this truth and this knowledge. Indeed, if it had not been for this great knowledge that you possess, I myself, I am sure, could never have continued that long life of mine. It was the wonderful knowledge and the realisation that I had, that helped me through those many years of difficulty and trials and tribulations. It is a great blessing to know of these great truths. Indeed you are blessed.

I would come and talk to you again…

Rose Creet:
Yes please.


Victoria:
May God bless you my child - and you too…

Flint:
God bless you…

Rose Creet:
Thank you Victoria.


John Brown:
Aye. The old lady did quite nicely !

Flint:
Mmm ?

Rose Creet:
What ?


John Brown:
Aye.

Rose Creet:
The old lady did quite nicely, yes…hello…is that David ?


John Brown:
She’s no - she’s no old lady now.

Rose Creet:
No.


John Brown:
But er…you know how it is when we get back into Earth conditions.

Rose Creet:
Yes.


John Brown:
To some extent we, sort of, react as the old self.

Rose Creet:
Yes.


John Brown:
Aye. She’s a bonnie lass - and she’s happy now with her husband.


Rose Creet:
…with her Albert. She adored him didn’t she ?


John Brown:
Aye. It was a real love match, there’s no doubt about that.


Rose Creet:
I’m so glad they’re together.


John Brown:
And I only did my job. People do not understand that. I know that I had my faults and perhaps, in a way, I took advantage of it - which I should no have done. But at the same time, I had my own way. And I was doing many things, which people did not understand, for the old lady's sake. And she was badgered by all sorts and I treated every one the same - I couldn’t have cared less whether they had a title or not. It’s what a man was that mattered to me.

Rose Creet:
Yes.

John Brown:
Anyway, that’s a long story, you’ll no wanna listen to that.

Rose Creet:
This is John Brown ?

John Brown:
Aye. Who did you think it was ?

Rose Creet:
Hello. Thank you for coming John Brown.


John Brown:
Aye and we’ll come again and talk to you lassie...

Rose Creet:
Yes.


John Brown:
And keep this man healthy…

Rose Creet:
We’re trying !

John Brown:
You know, th
e best thing for him is a drop of whisky at the night.


Rose Creet:
You think so ?

John Brown:
Aye. You can no beat the whisky...

Rose Creet:
(Laughing.)

John Brown:
A wee drop of whisky does a man good. Helps stop a cold and the flu…

Rose Creet:
Oh alright. I’ll give some to him tonight…


John Brown:
Aye. I don’t know. You had better get in touch with your doctor friend. M…m…my own experience is that a wee drop of whisky is the right thing…


Rose Creet:
Ah, but don’t forget, you were a Scotsman !
Whisky and Scotsman...[Laughing]

John Brown:
Aye. All the more reason why a Sasanach* would [know to need it]. Anyway I must go now. Goodnight to you all.

Rose Creet:
Alright. Goodnight.

Mickey:
Bye bye !

END OF RECORDING


* Sasanach = a word used to describe anyone who is not from the Scottish Highlands.

This transcript was created for the Flint Trust by K. Jackson-Barnes