The Leslie Flint Educational Trust

Gwen Vaughan:
The following séances were recorded during a series of private sittings which Mr Leslie Flint, the Independent Voice Medium, gave to an elderly lady named Rose. The communicator is Dr Stephen Ward.

Dr Stephen Ward was the son of a Canon of the Church of England. He became a well-known and clever osteopath who numbered among his friends and acquaintances politicians, titled people and artists of the stage and screen.

Mr John Profumo had been a Minister of War until the regrettable incidents concerning Christine Keeler and others, made his resignation a necessity. Because of his association with these people Dr Stephen Ward was arrested on charges from which he was unable to defend himself.

Certain of his so-called friends, who could have helped with his defence, found it convenient to leave the country. Within a web of lies and perjury, Dr Stephen Ward found himself alone and carrying the burdens which others should have been sharing with him.

In despair, he took an overdose of sleeping tablets and died on August 3rd 1963.

Flint:
[This séance was recorded] on Thursday the 29th of August. Medium Leslie Flint.

Ward:
Good evening.

Creet:
Yes? Hello? Somebody trying to speak...

Ward:
Yes, very much. Very strange.

Creet:
Yes?

Ward:
Hello. Hello. Hello, hello?

Creet:
Hello?

Ward:
Good evening.

Creet:
Good evening to you.

Ward:
Good evening.

Creet:
Yes.

Ward:
I do not know if I shall be able to speak very well.

Creet:
Oh, I can hear you...

Ward:
It’s all very new, very new.

Creet:
What?

Ward:
This is all so very new to me.

Creet:
Very new?

Ward:
I do not understand...

Creet:
Yes?

Ward:
...very much about this.

Creet:
No, but if you...

Ward:
but I...I was brought here.

Creet:
Oh yes?

Ward:
I was brought here by...[sigh]

Creet:
By Doctor Marshall?

Ward:
Yes, that’s his name.

Creet:
Oh really?

Ward:
Very kindly...

Creet:
What was that?

Ward:
...brought me here. [sigh]

Creet:
Yes? Try and speak on.

Ward:
How very odd it all is. How very odd.

Creet:
How very odd, huh. Yes, but you’ll get used to it. It’s new to you just now.

Ward:
I very much...

Creet:
Yes?

Ward:
[Sigh] I very much regret...

Creet:
Yes?

Ward:
The circumstances of my passing.

Creet:
I know who it is!

Ward:
I...

Creet:
Yes?

Ward:
I...

Creet:
I know. I think it's...

Ward:
I had no intention...

Creet:
Yes.

Ward:
I had no intention...

Creet:
Yes, oh...

Ward:
I toyed with the idea...

Creet:
Oh I see...

Ward:
But I was not really intending to...

Creet:

No. But, aren't you very much happier?

Ward:
I don’t understand this, but I was told about this sort of thing. I’d heard about it of course. But I once, many years ago, I had some sort of an experience, but I don’t quite know whether the person was a medium or whether they were a fortune teller or what.

Creet:
Well you...

Ward:
But, um, this is all very strange you know.

Creet:
It will be very strange. It’s strange to everybody.

Ward:
So many people have been...

Creet:
So...

Ward:
...thinking about me in various ways; good, bad and ill...

Creet:
I, I couldn’t quite catch that.

Ward:
I’m sorry, but I cannot say...

Creet:
All right, never...

Ward:
...very much. Perhaps I could manage...

Creet:
Is it...

Ward:
...some other time, but...

Creet:
Yes.

Ward:
...it's so extraordinary being able to speak in this fashion. I...I never believed all this. I...I had some vague ideas about it, but...

Creet:
Yes.

Ward:
...it’s all so extraordinary. I, I, I, I....

Creet:
Yes?

Ward:
I realise now it’s a bit late...

Creet:

Oh no, it’s never too late. Stephen Ward isn’t it? It is you Stephen?

Ward:
Yes. How did you know? I didn’t say who I was.

Creet:
I know you didn't, no. But you've been in...

Ward:
This is all so extraordinary this...

Creet:
[Laughs]

Ward:
I've wanted, if I could, to make contact with people, but...

Creet:
Yes.

Ward:
...of course, my...

Creet:
Anyhow, it, it...look...

Ward:
...my conscience is clear.

Creet:

I’m sure it is. I’ve always...

Ward:
I admit...I admit that I was foolish.

Creet:
Yes.

Ward:
But no more foolish than many another man in my position.

Creet:
Though you were not...

Ward:
Of course...

Creet:
You did a lot of good.

Ward:
...I tried to do what I could, but in certain things that I were...I’d been accused of, were not true...

Creet:
Yes.

Ward:
and several things that...that were true and I did certain things because I was badgered to do them to help...

Creet:
Yes.

Ward:
...and I didn't like to refuse. But, of course I made my mistakes, who didn't...who doesn’t? But, a lot of the rubbish that they’ve spoken about and printed about is, is, is quite, quite untrue. I, I, I, I'm quite sure that I’ve been made use of.

Creet:
Yes.

Ward:
In more ways than one. I don’t blame anyone. I have no ill will. I, I, I...

Creet:
You would never...

Ward:

...I don’t bear anyone any grudges.

Creet:
No.

Ward:
But I think I should have faced it - stuck it out.

Creet:

Yes. You wish you had stuck it out?

Ward:
I should have stuck it out, but I’m all right now. But perhaps...

Creet:
Oh, anyhow...

Ward:
...but perhaps I may be able to come sometime and speak to you about it.

Creet:
I would love it, uh...Doctor...

Ward:
Doctor Marshall and several other friends here have been very kind to me, and I must try and come and speak to you again. I feel there's great sympathy...

Creet:
Yes.

Ward:
But I want to thank, not only you, but anyone else who has sent out their thoughts and prayers to me. They have helped. Thank you very much. I’ll come and speak to you, if I may, another night when I am more used to this sort of thing.
Goodbye.

Creet:

Oh please...please do.
Goodbye.

Dr Marshall:
I thought it would interest you. I have been trying to get him to come, and I think it will help him too. He’s much more...much more settled now.

Creet:
He is?

Marshall:

And if he comes to speak from time to time, it may be a great help to him. I shall endeavour to bring him through...

Creet:

Oh yes, please let him come Doctor dear.

This transcript was created for the Trust by Karyn Jarvie - July 2018