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John Douglas Conacher

1877- 1958

Douglas Conacher séance


Recorded: October 16th 1959


“I'm speaking to you through this box...


During his lifetime Douglas Conacher was a successful publisher
and a religious man, who held very definite views on life after death.

After his death, he returned to communicate with his wife Eira
at many Leslie Flint séances.

This is the first recording of one of those sessions,
where Douglas speaks with his wife.

Together they discuss his new perspective on life, 
the method of spirit communication,
various friends he has met and made in the spirit world
and the couple share their feelings for each other.

In later recordings Douglas reveals details 
of many previous lifetimes he and his wife have shared together.


Note: This enhanced audio is from a 60 year old original and is not to modern standards.

 
 
 

Please read the full transcript below as you listen...



Present: Eira Conacher, Leslie Flint.
Communicators: Mickey, Marie Theresa, Douglas Conacher.



Flint:
This séance was recorded on the sixteenth of October 1959: sitter Mrs Conacher, medium Leslie Flint.


Mickey:
Good morning.


Flint:

Oh, quick!


Eira:
Hello Mickey, how lovely to hear you.


Mickey:
How are you Mrs Conoch...Conoch...Conoch....Conacher?


Eira:
Conacher..that’s right Mickey.


Mickey:
That’s right. Yes, how are you Mrs Conacher?


Eira:
Very well Mickey; how are you?


Mickey:
Very well. Your husband’s here.


Eira:
Is he already?


Mickey:
Yes, well... [unintelligible] He knew he was coming, he came with you.


Eira:
Did he really?


Mickey:
Yes and his Mum and Dad’s with him.


Eira:
Really? How interesting.


Mickey:
How are you keeping?


Eira:
Oh, very well thank you.


Mickey:
If there is anything I can do special, like, to help you, then I'm only too glad to do it.


Eira:
Oh, that’s very nice of you.


Mickey:
If you’ve got anything special, like, you know... anything important.


Eira:
Do you mean in a physical way?


Mickey:
Any way.


Eira:
Well my left eye has been troubling me. It’s a little better now, but it has been very tiresome.


Mickey:
Oh dear. Have to get the doctor on it.


Eira:
Well, um... perhaps.


Mickey:
No, I mean our doctors.


Eira:
Oh yes. Yes, that would be helpful.


Mickey:
Spiritual doctors. Healing.


Eira:
Yes.


Mickey:
See what they can do for you.


Eira:
Thank you.


Mickey:
Do you live all on your own?


Eira:
Yes.


Mickey:

Do you get bored?


Eira:
No. Never.


Mickey:
You’re interested in animal welfare aren’t you?


Eira:
Well, not particularly Mickey. I haven’t thought of animals, but, uh... many other things more.


Mickey:
Well, I get a lot of interest in animals with you and you seem to attract them...


Eira:
Really?


[Silence for eight seconds]


Eira:
I want to thank my husband for bringing his mother last week.


Maria:
I am so pleased to come and speak to you. Ah... Mrs Mc... Mrs McConacher... McConacher...


Eira:
Yes? Who is speaking please?


Maria:
Maria, Maria.


Eira:
Oh yes?


Maria:
I am most interested you know. And I was saying, you know, you have so many interesting people come for you from this side. Apart from your husband, of course, there are many people who are very interested and very anxious to be of service to you.


Eira:
Well, how very good of you...


Maria:
You know, I think you are going to do a lot of writing.


Eira:
Well I'm trying to write, but I’m not very good.


Maria:
Well I think you will something, because, you know, you are getting a lot of impression, a lot of inspiration from this side. I think you will do more than you realise.


Eira:
Oh, I hope so.


Maria:
Oui. Your husband was a very talented man.


Eira:
Yes... yes.


Maria:
But, you know, he did not seem to have the opportunity to develop certain aspects of his ability, you know.


Eira:
No. Quite true.


Maria:
Circumstances, perhaps, make it impossible. But you know, he was very interesting person. He had definite gifts you know.

 

Eira:
Oh yes, yes.


Maria:
You know he loved you very much.


Eira:
Yes, I am sure of that.


Maria:
He is very close to you, a great love and bond of affection.


Eira:
Thank you.


Maria:
Oui. You know, he does not speak very much like a Scot, you know.


Eira:
No he wouldn’t really.


Maria:

He hasn’t got a Scottish... what I call a strong Scottish accent you know?


Eira:
Oh no. He lived in London most of his life.


Maria:
He's a very brilliant man too.


Eira:
Yes.


Maria:
I like him very much.... He wants very much to talk with you.


Eira:
Do I know you... uh...?


Maria:
No. You don’t know me. [Unintelligible] that I come here, but I am very interested in helping and being of service, you know.


Eira:
Yes, you have a beautiful voice.


Maria:
Ah! Thank you very much. It is very nice to be able to come and talk with you - goodbye.


Eira:
Goodbye.


Flint:
She spoke well didn’t she?


Eira:
Very well.


Douglas:
Hello my dear.


Eira:
Hello darling.


Douglas:
Hello, hello, hello. Can you hear me?


Eira:
Yes I can.


Douglas:
Good.


Eira:
Yes.


Douglas:
But what...what were you going to say?


Eira:
Who... are you? Who are you please?


Mickey:
Keep him talking.


Eira:
Oh.


Flint:
It must be your husband.


Eira:
Yes. Is that you Douglas?


Douglas:
I tried to speak to you the other night, but I couldn’t manage it; such a lot of people.


Eira:
Yes, but I did hear my name twice.


Douglas:
Yes, I called you.


Eira:
Yes.


Douglas:
I called you, but I didn’t think that you could hear me. Can you hear me now?


Eira:
Yes, very clearly indeed.


Douglas:
I haven’t the faintest idea what it sounds like, but I'm endeavouring to speak to you as clearly as I possibly can.


Eira:
No. Do you know where we are dear?


Douglas:
What do you mean where we are? We're at Westbourne Terrace.


Eira:

Yes of course.


Douglas:
I should know this district very well.


Eira:
Yes.


Douglas:
[From] way back in the old days.


Eira:
Yes.


Douglas:
Very happy hunting grounds!


Eira: [Laughing]

Well!


Douglas:
Why do you say 'well' like that?


Eira:
Well, you used to tell me about your home dear and going to church with [unintelligible].


Douglas:
Yes that’s right, that’s going back, oh, sixty odd years or more. Much more I suppose.


Eira:
Oh no, darling.


Douglas:
Well it must be getting on, [just a bit]. It must be fifty.


Eira:
Hmm.... I hear you have your father there darling?


Douglas:
Yes. This time business puzzles me. I haven’t a clue, really, as to time. I don't know whether it's fifty or forty or sixty years. I find it very difficult, since I’ve been here, to really be sure as to time, as such. In fact, I'm more conscious of time through your mind.


Eira:
Are you dear? Hmm...


Douglas:
What were you saying just then about my father?


Eira:
Pardon?


Douglas:
I thought you said something about my father.


Eira:
Yes, uh, I hear he is with you today?


Douglas:
Yes. He is with me - and mother too.


Eira:
Oh, how very nice.


Douglas:
They both send their love and blessings to you.


Eira:
Thank them both for coming.


Douglas:
What shall we talk about?


Eira:
Well, look here darling...


Flint: [Sniffing]


Eira:
...I want to know about the Reverend Charles Robert McAllistair, you brought last Friday.


Douglas:
Oh, goodness yes!


Eira:
Who is he?


Douglas:
Oh, someone the family knew years ago.


Eira:
Yes?


Douglas:
No one connected with me at all actually. He was someone father and mother knew very well...


Eira:
I looked him up.


Douglas:
Did you check him?


Eira:
I tried to. but I couldn’t find anything. I looked through dozens of directories.


Douglas:
No. Of course after all, it was many years ago.


Eira:
Yes.


Douglas:
I wouldn’t, for a moment, expect you to be able contact any connection with him now.


Eira:
No, of course not.


Douglas:
[It must be] many years of course, in mother and father’s early years.


Eira:
Yes. Was that your light I saw last night?


Douglas:
Yes. You know, I'm wondering if you do see as much as I hope you do. I try to attract your attention in various ways and I felt sure... in fact, the other evening, I felt sure you realised I was there. [You do sense my presence even though you don't see me].


Eira:
No.


Douglas:
You know, sometimes during your sleep you come here... and we're together.


Eira:
Yes.


Douglas:
We're together a great deal, you know.


Eira:
Really? I wish I could remember. I have occasionally remembered.


Douglas:
Yes. Have you have decided to stay as you are or what? Are you thinking of making a change?


Eira:
Well, you tell me to remain where I am at the moment.


Douglas:
Well yes, that’s what I think. I think you would be well advised to stay put and not to make any change for the moment. I don’t think there would be much point and it would not be a good idea to do anything drastic...


Eira:
Well I have so many interests.


Douglas:
[I don't know...]


Eira:
Yes. Darling, I haven’t asked after your favourite cat lately.


Douglas:
Oh, [he's] very well.


Eira:
How’s he getting on?


Douglas:
He's fine. You know I do love my animals.


Eira:
[I know.] You did love that cat very much.


Douglas:
Not as much as I love you!


Eira:
No. Well, I'm awfully glad you still love me.


Douglas:
Of course I do! I always shall. I'm just waiting for the day for you to join me.


Eira:
Yes.


Douglas:
The years come and go. Time will pass and we shall be together.


Eira:
That will be lovely.


Douglas:
But you know, I look back and I think... well, I suppose really, after all is said and done we didn’t do too badly. Sometimes I regret, you know, that I could have done more for you.


Eira:
Oh, nonsense!


Douglas:
You say 'nonsense', but I... I sometimes think what life could have been...


Eira:
Oh, I have very happy memories of you.


Douglas:
They were happy weren't they?


Eira:
Yes.


Douglas:
I wish I could give you a big hug and kiss.


Eira:
Yes, but I know you love me Douglas and you were never a demonstrative man were you?


Douglas:
No, but that’s what I meant just now when I said... I sometimes wish I had been, but it wasn’t in my nature. It wasn’t that I didn’t feel intensely. But, I don’t know why, but I wasn’t... wasn't a demonstrative person.


Eira:
No. [Coughs]

But you had other virtues...


Douglas:
Ha! Such as?


Eira: [Laughing]
Well...


Douglas:
[Unintelligible] look's as if I’m seeking...


Eira:
Yes. Are you still happy, darling, over there?


Douglas:
Very. Very happy.


Eira:
What is your chief work?


Douglas:
Well I have so many interests. I'm extremely interested in music.


Eira:
Yes, you were telling me.


Douglas:
And I am very interested in architecture.


Eira:
Yes, you always were.


Douglas:
That appeals to me tremendously; the different types of buildings, the different styles. Very interesting indeed.


Eira:
Yes.


Douglas:
And I'm very interested in animals of course, and I have been doing... uh, I know this will surprise you, but I've been doing some painting.


Eira:
Have you really? That is a new line!


Douglas:
Yes. I seem to have taken a great interest in artistic things, as I think, probably, because when on Earth, I didn’t get much opportunity.


Eira:

No, I guess not. Are you living in a house?


Douglas:
Oh, yes.


Eira:
Oh, you are?


Douglas:
Yes. I am hoping one day, when you come here, you will like it.


Eira:
Oh.


Douglas:
It’s not very big, but it suits me. It’s pretty small actually.


Eira:
Oh.


Douglas:
You seem very puzzled. Why is that?


Eira:
I don’t know. It rather difficult to imagine the 'other side', you know.


Douglas:
Yes. Well of course, there again, I should imagine it must be. You see, our world, in some respects is not unlike the Earth. We have all that you have - only on a larger scale and more beautiful. There are none of the snags or things that disappoint. Here we have a world, which to me anyway, is as perfect as anything could be. Although I understand there are even more perfect places. It's a matter of gradual evolution to reach those states... states of being...


Eira:
Yes, well...


Douglas:
But I'm perfectly happy where I am. I shall be happier still when you join me.


Eira:
Yes. Well, it's something to look forward to, darling.


Douglas:
I do think this is marvellous that I can come and talk to you like this...


Eira:

Yes. Yes, it is worthwhile isn’t it?


Douglas:
You see, I don’t know what my voice sounds like. All I know is that I'm here and I'm speaking to you through this box - and this box, in some strange way transmits my thoughts into sound.


Eira:
Yes?


Douglas:
It’s rather strange.


Eira:
It is. It’s not quite your voice.


Douglas:
No. One concentrates one’s thoughts and the 'voice-box' automatically responds. I suppose, in a kind of way, rather like on Earth, you think of what you wish to say and your vocal organs automatically respond and you vibrate the atmosphere; you create sound and people hear your thoughts as sound. That’s exactly what I’m doing.


Eira:
Yes, of course.


Douglas:
But of course this mechanism is, in a sense, artificial, so I suppose that, in some way, will alter the voice. Of course, I don’t really know what it sounds like or not.


Eira:

Well, um... [it's] a very nice voice, if it was just quite your voice, but then I understand that one could hardly expect that.


Douglas:
I would like to become very familiar with this, so that I can do better.


Eira:
You are helping me, aren’t you dear?


Douglas:
Every day.


Eira:
Yes.


Douglas:
There is never a day passes that I don’t come and see you and that anything that I can achieve or do for you, I will.


Eira:
Yes.


Douglas:
I shall I guide you and do all I can [for you].


Eira:
You are bringing me this knowledge so that I can help others.


Douglas:
Of course, and that’s where your writing comes in.


Eira:
Yes.


Douglas:
I think you might do quite a bit in that respect, you know.


Eira:
Well I try hard - it doesn’t come very easily.


Douglas:
No, but it will. It'll flow, it'll get better later.


Eira:
Um... by the way, have you seen the Reverend Stainton Moses lately?


Douglas:
Yes I have, and I must say he's a most wonderful person. He’s been a great blessing and help to me.


Eira:
Yes. He seems to like you, very much.


Douglas:

Well, we get on very well.


Eira:
Yes. Will you give him my kindest regards when you see him?


Douglas:
I certainly will. You found his book interesting?


Eira:
Yes. I'm still reading it.


Douglas:
Yes. A most wonderful book.


Eira:
I went to see his portrait at the College of Psychic Science last week.


Douglas:
Yes. Yes. Nice man. Wonderful man.


Eira:
Yes. You've got another of them over your side now; the Reverend Maurice Elliott.


Douglas:
Oh yes. He’s with us.


Eira:
Yes.


Douglas:
Nice man and I’ve met, uh... oh, quite a number of people of course, many people. Some I never even knew when on Earth, but I have had the pleasure of meeting them here.


Eira:
Yes.


Douglas:
The Reverend Drayton Thomas for instance.


Eira:
Oh, Drayton Thomas, yes. I have read his books too. Yes. Yes, they're very interesting.


Douglas:
And I've met, uh, Inge - you remember Inge?


Eira:
Oh, you were very fond of Dean Inge, yes.


Douglas:
Yes. I met him here. Nice man.


Eira:
Yes. You used to read his books. Mmm...


Douglas:
Bless you. I wish I could come and kiss you before I go.


Eira:
Yes. Are you going so soon?


Douglas:
It’s difficult to hold on.


Eira:
Yes, you’ve done very well. Thank you.


Douglas:
But I have done my utmost...


Eira:
Yes darling.


Douglas:
...and I shall do, perhaps, better next time.


Eira:
And you're helping [with the standards] are you, at our little circle?


Douglas:
I certainly am and I have great hopes for that little group.


Eira:
Have you really?


Douglas:
Yes.


Eira:
Oh I am so glad.


Douglas:
Continue there dear.


Eira:
I will, yes. It’s so handy for me.


Douglas:
All my love my dear. Bless you.


Eira:
All my love, always. Thank you.


Mickey:
He did very well.


Eira:

Yes, he did.


Mickey:
I thought he was marvellous to speak so well and so long!


Eira:
Yes, but he’s only been over [for] fourteen months.


Mickey:
Yes. He was getting on in years wasn’t he?


Eira:
Yes he was, yes. But he's much younger now [I would think].


Mickey:
Of course, he’s young. I mean, only the body gets old - the spirit remains young, doesn’t it?


Eira:
Yes I hope so.


Mickey:
I think you will do a lot with your writing. They seem to be very hopeful about it.


Eira:
Do they really? Thank you Mickey.


Mickey:
Yes.


Eira:
That’s very encouraging. Well, it’s only in the nature of a diary, you know.


Mickey:
And you sit in your circle on Saturdays do you?


Eira:
Yes. We haven’t got a full control yet. You couldn’t find one for us could you?


Mickey:
Haven’t you got anyone?


Eira:
No.


Flint: [Sniffing]


Eira:
Not yet. We are just sitting quietly and waiting, hopefully.


Mickey:
Oh, I'll see if I can help you.


Eira:
Thank you very much.


Mickey:
How many [are] in your circle?


Eira:
We are only... six I think. We would rather have seven actually.


Mickey:
Well, I'll help you in that circle. I'll do what I can. I'll come and see you in it...


Eira:

Thank you very much.


Mickey:
...see if I can help you. If there’s anything special you want to ask you know, I'm only too glad to try and help you.


Eira:
Yes...


Flint:

It’s always difficult to know what to ask, isn't it?


Eira:
Isn't it difficult...?


Flint:
Everybody’s the same, they always seem to, you know, get...


Eira:
There are so many things, aren't there? I was interested to hear you once lived in Camden Town Mickey...


Mickey:
Oh, that's a good few years ago. I used to sell newspapers.


Eira:
Yes. Isn't that interesting?


Mickey:
Yes... [Laughing]


Eira:
I remember when I was studying art. I used to know around Camden Town way.


Mickey:
Are you an artist?


Eira:
Well, I, um, studied art for many years and taught it for many years.


Mickey:
Oh, you should be able to paint nice then!


Eira:
No, strangely enough I'm not very good. I’m better at bringing it out of others.


Mickey:
Really?


Eira:
Hmm... I love teaching.


Mickey:
Is that what you do now, teach?


Eira:
No, no. I'm not doing anything at the moment. Oh no... I’m writing, you know. [unintelligible]


Mickey:
Yes...


Eira / Mickey:
[unintelligible]


Mickey:
I think you would have made a good actress...


Eira:
Oh no Mickey! [Laughing]


Mickey:
I think you would.


Eira:
No, I certainly wouldn’t.


Mickey:
Don’t you really think so?


Eira:
No, I’m quite certain - hopeless!


Mickey:
You’re a case you are!


Eira: [Laughing]

Oh no!


Mickey:
Well anyway, I'll see you again, shan’t I?


Eira:

I hope so Mickey. I'm coming whenever I possibly can to see you.


Mickey:
Oh, that’s very sweet of you, because I try and help you all I can and I’m... I'm sure Uncle Douglas will do much better next time.


Eira:
You think so?


Mickey:
He'll get better. As he gets more confidence, he’ll improve you see.


Eira:
Yes.


Mickey:
Because all these things take time, you know.


Eira:
Well, of course. I think [he's done very well indeed].


Mickey:
I think he's done awfully well. I’ll see you again then.


Eira:
Yes.


Mickey:
Bye-bye Mrs Con...Mrs Con...Conacher. Bye-bye!


Eira:
Yes, goodbye Mickey. Thank you for coming.


Flint:
He did very well.


Eira:
Didn’t he? Very well indeed.


Flint:
Mmm... extremely well.

I thought...


Eira:
Did you... I'm sorry...


Flint:
Sorry, I was going to say, I thought your husband did so well.


Eira:
Yes. I understand the change in the voice is due, really... they take on, really, a little of the medium’s voice, don’t they?


Flint:
Well, to some extent... you see, the ectoplasm is drawn from the medium, which is a kind of living substance, evidently...


Eira:
Yes.


Flint:
...and obviously, even though the medium's mind is not in the communication, you must get some part, somewhere, of the medium...


Eira:
Of course.


Flint:
...and I think, um...that, uh... he - of course, I don't know what his Earthly voice was like, but I thought he sounded very plain.


Eira:
Oh no, he had a beautiful [voice]...



END OF RECORDING


This transcript kindly created for the Trust by Jo Campbell-Dunlop - May 2020