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Annie Nanji séance

Recorded: Friday January 20th 1978


“I’ve got the door wide open for you!’’

     Between 1970 and 1983, a retired doctor of chemistry, Dr Dinshaw R. Nanji
of Birmingham University, visited Leslie Flint twice a year for private sittings, 
travelling from his home in Gothenburg, Sweden.

In this recording, Dino has a brief conversation with Mickey,
about a friend who attempts spirit photography, 


then he speaks with Annie and they discuss
the help Dino received from a healer named Millie,

the spirit photography experiments of Gladys Hayter,

and Annie tells Dino about his future home in the Spirit World.


Annie mentions the disappointment
when she is unable to communicate at some séances,

then they talk about reincarnation, mediumship,
and how knowledge of life after death

can help people when they die.


Finally, Dino is able to speak with his spirit son Peter

and spirit daughter Sybilla for the first time.



The recording is introduced by the medium Gladys Hayter.



Note: This vintage recording has been reconstructed from a damaged original and is not to modern standards

 

Please read the full transcript below as you listen...



Present: Leslie Flint, Dr Dinshaw Nanji.

Communicators: Mickey, Annie Nanji, Peter Nanji, Sybilla Nanji.


Gladys Hayter:

[This] tape recording is of a communication of Dr Nanji speaking to his wife in spirit. When she passed over to spirit through cancer, he felt he could never live without her and he had his name put on her tombstone.


When Dr Nanji sat with Mr. Flint, the direct voice medium, for the first time, four years after her death, she came through saying, 'How crazy can you be darling, putting your name on the tombstone? You’re not coming over here yet!'


When Mrs. Nanji was on the Earth plane, she had two miscarriages. And when she arrived in Spirit she discovered that they had grown up to a son and a daughter.


This communication you are going to listen to, which is a private sitting, Dr Nanji speaks to his son and daughter for the first time.



Flint:
[This] séance was recorded on the 20th of January 1978, Medium Leslie Flint.


Mickey:
You back again?

Dino:
Have you pressed the button?

Flint:
Yes, I pressed it.


Mickey:

Well, well, well.


Dino:
Yes?

Mickey:
I've been...I've been, um…very busy.

Dino:
[Laughing]


Flint:

You’ve been very busy? Oh, yes you have, I suppose.


Mickey:
I...I’ve been very busy. I’ve been doing a lot of things to help people. And I’ve been around and I...I was with you the other day when you went to see auntie and you took the pictures.

Dino:
Yes, yes, yes.


Mickey:
Ah, well we feel that we’ve made some success. I hope, um, it'll turn out well. There was a lot of power there that day.


Dino:
Yes. She sends her love to you.

Mickey:
Yes, you tell her (I expect you won't be seeing her) but I send all my love to her ‘cause she’s a lovely lady and she's very sincere and she’s got some wonderful people helping her.

Dino:
Yes.


Mickey:
She’s, she’s very much inclined to, to, to, um, you know, sort of, do things for people, ain’t she? I mean, she loves people and she wants to help people and she loves you.

Dino:
Yes.

Mickey:
‘Course, I suppose you’ll be going home now, won’t you?


Dino:

Yes. I’ll be going home on Sunday.


Mickey:
Yes.


Dino:

But I come again in the summer.


Mickey:

Peter and Sybilla are here today.


Dino:

Yes?


Mickey:

And, um, I think they’re going to try and talk to you, as well as your Mrs...


Dino:

Yes.


[Slight interference]


Mickey:
[Sighing] You found a little place round the corner, haven’t you? To eat?


Dino:

No...you say?


Mickey:

A little place round the corner from where you are staying?


Dino:

Yes?

Mickey:
Do you know what I’m talking about? I'm talking about a restaurant.

Dino:
Hmm…


Mickey:
Do you know what I mean?


Dino:

No. What do you mean?


Mickey:

Well, you go and have your ea...food.


Dino:

Ah?

Mickey:
A restaurant.


Dino:

Yes?


Mickey:

Is there a little restaurant you go to, round the back?


Dino:

Yes.


Mickey:

You don’t seem very sure do you?


Dino:

No.


Mickey:

Oh, I don’t know. I only know what your Mrs says. She went with you the other day and you went to some little place.


Dino:

Uh-huh.

Mickey:

I don’t know.


Dino:

Yeah.


Flint:
[Coughing]

Mickey:

‘Cause your Mrs remembers that place where you stay. You used to stay there didn’t you?


Dino:

Oh, my Annie and I always used to love that place; because it was full of memories.


Mickey:

Yes.

Dino:
Yes.

Mickey:
But, you don’t have the same room.


Dino:

No, no, definitely! [Laughing] There are over a thousand rooms there.

Flint:
[Coughing]


Mickey:

A thousand?


Dino:

Yes, over a thousand rooms.


Mickey:

Gosh!


Dino:

And I was just talking to Leslie that, eh, in the old days they only had five floors and now they have got nine floors.


Mickey:
Oh, I see. Well, it’s different, ain’t it?


Dino:

Yes.


Mickey:

Just a minute, well, hang on just a moment…


Dino:

And it was very noisy in the old days. But now, if you get a room on the upper floors, it’s absolutely quiet; you don’t get any street noise. So it's very nice.


Annie:

Hello Daddy!


Dino:

Hello darling!


Annie:

Hello Daddy. How are you?


Dino:

I’m very well, sweetheart.


Annie:

I’m so pleased you have come.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

I have looked forward to it again very much, you know? It means so much to me...


Dino:

Ah yes, darling.

Annie:

...and to you. I have brought the children, you know? I hope they will speak to you today.


Dino:

Yes, darling.


Annie:

They are very anxious to. But, you know, they always insist that I come first.

Dino:
Yes, of course.

Annie:
They say, 'Oh, no, no, no! You go and speak to Papa', you know, 'and we come later.'


Dino:

Yes, yes.


Annie:

But today it is their day too. I insist that they also come and talk with you.


Dino:

Ah, that’s very nice.


Annie:

Can you hear me?


Dino:

Oh yes, lovely!


Annie:

Only, if I don’t speak loud enough, you must tell me...so then I will try to speak louder.


Dino:

Yeah! It’s perfectly all right, dear.


Annie:

What shall we talk about, uh?


Dino:

I was, I was, I was just talking...


Annie:

I want to talk about the things you want to talk about.


Dino:

Yes, I was talking about, uh, Millie.


Annie:

Ah, where you go yesterday...


Dino:

Yes, that’s right…


Annie:

...for the healing?


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

She’s a very nice woman and a very sincere woman.


Dino:

Yes. She is very dedicated woman.


Annie:

And she has great power.

Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

And I know she tries to do all she can for people.

Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

She’s a good soul.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

We are very fortunate in our friends...


Dino:

Yes, exactly.


Annie:

...you know, to find the right people who are sincere and genuine, you know?


Dino:
Yes, that's right.

Annie:
...because some are not so good, uh? I remember a long time ago, a long time ago now it seems...


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

…you went to various people. It was not so good, uh?

Dino:

No.


Annie:

But now, here, I can talk to you...


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

…and other places where you go, the people are very good. I hope I have succeeded in getting on the photograph, you know?

Dino:

Ah-ha!


Annie:

I hope so - the photo.


Dino:

I keep my fingers crossed.


Annie:

Me, too! Me, too! I keep my fingers crossed, because it means so very much to me and to you. But we try. And the children were there, too.


Dino:

Oh, yes!


Annie:

I hope...oh, I do so hope we were successful. Anyway, we shall see.


Dino:

Yes. She's taken about a dozen, uh, pictures...

Annie:

Pictures? Ah, it would be wonderful...


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:
...if you could get some pictures of us, you know?


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

Me, the children…


Dino:

It will thrill her very much.


Annie:

Ah! It would thrill everyone, because then you would be able to say to people, 'Look! Here it is!', you know?


Dino:

A reality.


Annie:

And in colour?


Dino:

Yes.

Annie:
She’s does the pictures in colour?


Dino:

Yes, that’s right.


Annie:

She is quite the remarkable person!


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

She has great powers, you know?


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

I was with you yesterday.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

And, you know, there were many people there.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

Not only just the people that you, you know - like me and the children. But other people...

Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

…many people.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

And today you are going to see other friends, huh?


Dino:

Yes, that’s right. Yes.


Annie:

Well, you fill in the time very much, uh?


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

You know, quite a lot of people…


Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

…one way or another.


Dino:

The winter's gone so quickly.


Annie:

Always it go quick. But don’t you feel the cold?


Dino:

No, no…


Annie:

It must be very cold.

Dino:

No, not really…

Annie:

It looks cold in your world.


Dino:

The hotel is very comfortable, darling.


Annie:

Ah, the hotel, yes! But, I mean when you go out in the street, you know?


Dino:

Yes, yes.


Annie:

Ah, but you don’t do very much else; only just...

Dino:

No.

Annie:
...
go, I don’t know...I suppose you don’t feel the need.

Dino:

I went to the park one day and the park was white. [Laughs]


Annie:

You mean with frost?


Dino:

With frost, you see. You couldn't see anything green and ah…


Annie:

No? But it is much nicer when you come in the summer...


Dino:

Yes, of course.


Annie:

…and the weather.

Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

But you seem to thrive in all kinds of weather. Always you are well.


Dino:

Oh, darling... [Laughs]


Annie:

I am glad, of course. But, you know, sometimes I think, uh, you are so fit, you know, that I wonder how long I have to wait…


Dino:

Yeah…


Annie:

…for you to join me.


Dino:

You know, this prostate trouble frightens me…

Annie:

Oh, no...does it?


Dino:

Yeah, because...huh?

Annie:

Why? I mean I know it is not nice, but…it is not so serious a thing?


Dino:

Well, you feel so helpless, you know, when something like that happens.


Annie:

I know, but, you think you have to have a little operation? I don’t somehow think...


Dino:

Yesterday Millie told me...


Annie:

No?


Dino:

...that you won’t need any operations.


Annie:

No, I don’t think so.


Dino:

Her guide...her guide has, uh, uh, suggested that I shall not need any operation. In fact, I shouldn’t go near a doctor. [Laughs]

Annie:

Well, [Laughs] I hope she is right. I think she is right, but of course, one notic...you know, I don’t think you will have to have operation.

Dino:

No.

Annie:

It can look after itself - the healing, you know?


Dino:

I beilieve natural healing is best.


Annie:

I think half the trouble is, you know, I think, of course, it is good to have a healer, but I think one has to have faith yourself, you know?


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:
I think one’s own faith is important.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

I mean, if you lack faith, then…what was it Jesus say, 'Faith has made thee whole?'

Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

I think this is important.

Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

That people should have faith in the power of the spirit, you know?

Dino:

Exactly!


Annie:

And the power of healing…


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

…and the power of good.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

I think if only people had strong idea of these things, it would help.


Dino:

Yes.


Flint:
[Coughing]

Dino:

Can you hear me?

Dino:

Yes, of course, darling. I can hear you perfectly.


Annie:

But you don’t get a lot of pain, uh?


Dino:

No, no, there was no pain.

Annie:

No.


Dino:

There’s no pain.


Annie:

Inconvenience?


Dino:

Yes, inconvenience, darling. And, uh, but...and also it affects your sleep, you see…


Annie:

Uh-huh...

Dino:

…because you have to wake up so many times…


Annie:

Uh…


Dino:

And that was which...


Annie:

That’s not good.

Dino:

...was inconvenient. Because you feel the disturbed sleep the next day.


Annie:

That’s not so good, uh?

Dino:

No. But I hope it is passed over.

Flint:
[Coughing]


Dino:

I tell you, a month ago I didn’t know whether I was able to come to London or not, but...


Annie:

Really?

Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

As bad as that?


Dino:

Yes, it was as bad as that. And then, uh, all of a sudden...the miracle happened.


Flint:
[Coughing]


Annie:

Well, I know the doctors on this side have done so much for you.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

And I think yesterday was a great help, too.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

But, I think a lot of the problem is, you know, not just only with you, but I think, if only people could have faith.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

You know, faith in the power to heal.


Dino:

Exactly, yes.

Annie:

It is no good people going to healers unless they have faith, you know? Faith is important.
What should we talk about? I don’t want to waste a moment.


Dino:
Oh well...

Flint:

[Laughing]


Annie:

I want to talk about the things you want to talk about.


Dino:

Talk about our home in, in your world.


Annie:

Well, our home in this world, you know, is very beautiful. It is not big, but it is pleasant. And there is pretty flowers and trees and garden, and everything that one could wish. It is compact, you know?


Dino:

Yes, yes.


Flint:
[Coughing]


Annie:

And you like to read…


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

And books…


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

You know over here, one can do so many things that one…well, to some extent, one could do on Earth, but here there is more opportunity.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

I love music…


Dino:

Yes, that’s right. Yes.


Annie:

…and here there are great concerts, beautiful auditoria, you know, where people gather - and many in the open air, not necessarily in buildings. You know, nature is wonderful here, too. We have everything that you have.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

We have flowers, magnificent flowers. And we have many colours which you don’t have in your world, you know?


Dino:

No?

Annie:
I wish one could explain these things…words don't seem to...


Dino:

No, they are brighter.

Annie:

Well, we have many things and flowers can be tall…


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

…you know, and the perfume is beautiful, too.

Dino:
Ah-ha...


Annie:

And, you know, I like to experiment, too. Do you know, you will be surprised about, when I tell you - I love to paint.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

You know? To paint.

Dino:

What do you say you love to?

Annie:

No, no. I like to paint.


Dino:

You like to paint.


Annie:

Artist...you know?


Dino:
Yes.


Annie:
I...I find it all so fascinating. Here, one can do many things which on Earth one could not do…

Dino:
No.

Annie:
…or did not have the opportunity.


Dino:

I see.


Annie:

And, I like to be of help. And I help, sometimes, other people who are only just recently arrived.


Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

And people who need guidance, you know? I like to feel I can serve and help people.


Dino:

Ah, that is very nice. Have you, have you helped Britta?


Annie:

Of course I have helped Britta. I was with her in hospital. But you know she was unconscious.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

But now she is fully awake. It took her a little time, you know because it was difficult at first, because she did not realise that she was dead. She thinks she was in a kind of dream.


Dino:

But, you know, like your mama. She is orthodox and sceptic…


Annie:

Well, you know, it is very difficult for some people. Everything here is so real.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

And when they wake, they think, 'Ah! It is a dream I am in...' you know? And they think they are going to wake up back on Earth. And it takes sometimes some people quite a time to adjust themselves to the idea they are dead. Because they are so alive here, that they don’t realise they are dead. And when they see people they have known, like myself, you know, and Mama and other people, they, they just, you know...it is as if they are dreaming.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

But, gradually we make them realise that they do not go back to Earth. Perhaps eventually, like me, they’ll come and speak, perhaps, but not to return in the body.


Dino:

Does she worry about her daughter, uh, Lena? Has she any message or anything?

Annie:

Well, of course, she will send all her love and blessings, but she doubts if she would believe - like she did not believe, you know?

Dino:
Hmm...

Annie:
It is very difficult, you know, to make people accept and they have the realisation, you know, that it is so. You think she would believe if you tell her?


Dino:
Hmm...but time will change everything.


Annie:

But, you know, she was a very sad woman. She was, perhaps she did not realise it, you know, but she made things difficult for herself.

Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

But, you know...that should never have happened; the accident should never have happened. But everyone was there; a lot of people were there from the business, you know?


Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

At the funeral.

Dino:
Oh, yes. There were about thirty people there.

Annie:
I know!

Dino:

From business, yes.

Annie:
But it was very sad. But, you know, it should not have happened.


Dino:

Well, that...that is fate.


Annie:

Well, what is fate, you know? Was it fate that I should come here?

Dino:

You’re destined to come to an end at a certain time…

Annie:

Well, maybe. I don’t know. I suppose we'll have to see things differently. Time is a big illusion. And, you know, when people live to be very old, even then, time is as nothing.

Dino:

No.

Annie:
I mean, a person may pass over when they are very young, and yet they may be more mentally and spiritually advanced, than someone who is very old when they come.


Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

But I think we have to see the Earth and the conditions and the world, your world, uh, as a school, you know, in which we have to learn lessons. I think it is necessary for some people to stay much longer than others. Look at you! You are staying a long time, I think you’ve got a lot to learn!


Dino:

This is what I hear…


Annie:

I am teasing you!


Dino:

No, I…

Annie:

I am teasing you! I think you have got to make good.


Dino:

Uh...Mr. Fricker* once told me that he felt I [would be] 95 years old.


Annie:

Ah Mr. Fricker! [Laughing] I don’t know, but…you know, you are marvellous, of course, as I told you, for your age.

Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

I mean you had this recent trouble, but it is an old man’s complaint, you know?

Dino:
Yeah, of course...

Annie:
And, um, I suppose a lot of people, when get to your age, have this problem.


Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

But you manage.


Dino:

Yes, of course.


Annie:

And I don’t think you are going to be any worse. You are going to be better. I’m sure. I don’t want you...I don’t think you will have to have any operation. I'm sure the healing has done you a lot of good.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

And yesterday was helpful to you.

Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

I like that woman. She is very nice.


Dino:

She is very nice.


Annie:

Oh well, you look after...I don’t know her. I guess I have to wait a long time now for you to come, uh?

Dino:

Oh, my dear...


Annie:

You don’t seem to be able to deteriorate. I don’t know. [Laughing] I am being very naughty. I want you to be happy, but you know, [at] the end of the path, I am there waiting for you.


Dino:

Yes, I know darling.


Annie:

I’ve got the door wide open for you!


Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

When are you coming?


Flint:
[Laughing]


Dino:

Well I...you know, I...I...now I feel you are walking by my side wherever I am.

Annie:

I am, seriously, I am. I am walking beside you every day of your life.

Dino:

Yes. I know that.


Annie:

And I told you before, when you are asleep, you know, you are often here with me…

Dino:

And I talk to you…


Annie:

We are together often here, you know? When you come here, it will be just like coming home.


Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

Everything will be as you wish…


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

…the way you think, you know? Already you have been here many times, but you don’t remember nothing.


Dino:

No.


Annie:

I wish you could remember.


Dino:

Yes, but…I think if I remembered I wouldn’t want to come back.


Annie:

Hmm…I'm sure that is true. And I sometimes wonder, you know, if that is one of the reasons why people are not able to remember things too well, because I think they would be very discontented in your world, if they had too much memory of life here.

Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

Ah, but it is a wonderful thing, when you think there are so many people in your world who have no knowledge, no realisation of life to come. When they are depressed and, you know, and they think death is the end and they will not again ever see again the people they have known and loved, how dreadful that people should think like that, that they do not see, behind the curtain is the reality.

Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

You know, that is how it is, you know. It is so difficult for people, I suppose. But, if only they could realise that, that behind the curtain is the reality. You know, it is sad when people have the, the, the, the, the narrowness of....

Dino:
Yes, yes, yes.

Annie:

...of mind, you know.


Dino:

You see, it is the materialism of the age that, sort of…


Annie:

I wonder why it is that people think only of material things. We know they are important, but they are not the be all and the end all of everything. It is only the beginning.

Dino:

Exactly.

Annie:

It is like the faltering steps of a child.


Dino:

But, you see, if you have been brought up in a material atmosphere…


Annie:

I know, Britta and Mama and so many other people, I don’t know, that we used to know...uh, they come here and to them it is such a surprise, so real that they can hardly believe it is possible.


Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

And they think they are in a sort of mad dream, you know?


Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

And it's not easy to make them see and understand it, but...but when you come it will be, well, like stepping out of one world into another which you are already prepared for - because your knowledge will help you.


Dino:

But I always [think back to] when you have told me that this is our last incarnation.


Annie:

Oh, there’s no doubt about it!


Dino:

Yeah.

Annie:

I do not wish for any time to return.


Dino:

No.


Annie:

And I know you do not. I think we have had, well, sufficient of your world. I look into your world, you know and, of course, I am with you, but...but I find it all very depressing [and very sad]

Dino:

...can you tell me if mediums have their last incarnation?


Annie:

Oh, in most cases I suppose yes, but it depends. I can’t say exactly, but maybe there are certain ones who wish to return or they have chosen to return, to continue their work, but I think in most cases, mediums are old souls and they have to be used, you know?


Dino:
I was thinking of Leslie...

Annie:

I don’t know. [Laughing] I shouldn't think he will come back. Not if he's got any sense!


Flint:

[Laughing] Oh dear!

Dino:

No? Because he is tired of this life.


Annie:

Ah, I think it must be a life, to some extent, of sacrifice, because all the time a medium is between the two worlds, you know, and he is caught up, you know, with all manner and kind of people...


Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

...and it must be a great mental and physical strain.


Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

No, I think mediums have a great responsibility, you know, placed on their shoulders...

Dino:

Of course

Annie:
…and I think it is remarkable that they are able to achieve what they do. Of course, there are times when one is disappointed. I mean, there have been times when you have been here and for some reason I couldn’t manage to come. And that’s been a great disappointment for you and for me.

Dino:

Yes, yes.

Annie:

But, then again, it doesn’t often happen.


Dino:

No.

Annie:

Most times, I am able to manage, uh?


Dino:

Yes, exactly.


Annie:

And very rare do I let you down, uh?


Dino:

No, no...


Annie:

Uh! I must get the children. They must talk with you. Just a minute.


Dino:

Yes, darling.


Peter Nanji:

Daddy? Peter. Peter.

Dino:

Yes Peter!

Peter:
Hello.


Dino:

It is nice to hear you!


Peter:

Well, I’ve been hoping that I might have an opportunity to come and speak to you, just for just a minute or two.

Dino:
Yes, darling...

Peter:
But, you know, in the past we have always felt - Sybilla and I - that, well, it means so much for you to talk to Mama, and...and we just felt that we would support Mama and do everything we could to help her.

Dino:

Yes, yes.

Peter:
But, Mummy insists that we just have a few words and let you know that we’re here, well of course, you know we’re here, but I just want you to know, that I also, and Sybilla, we...we often come to you, with Mama, you know?

Dino:

Yes, yes.

Peter:
Of course, you, you, you know it must be very difficult for you to appreciate or realise that I'm not particularly…I’m grown up, you know. I’m not a child.

Dino:

Yes.

Peter:

I mean, I’m...I’m an adult, as you would say.


Dino:

Peter, are you taller than Sybilla?


Peter:

Oh, yes.

Dino:

Are you?


Peter:

Oh, yes.


Dino:

Oh!


Peter:

A bit taller than she is, yes. Well she’s not short, but I am taller than she is. What makes you ask that question?

Dino:

Because I often dream of that and I wonder if...


Peter:

Oh, yes. Oh, yes, I am taller than she. But there again, you see...I mean, it is very difficult to explain, I suppose...I mean, considering that I’ve been here for so long now. At least it seems...I suppose it is a long time...


Dino:

Yeah, because you...


Peter:

...but Earth life was nothing to me, you see?


Dino:

No, of course not.


Peter:

And, um, I see things purely and absolutely and completely on one level of the mind and of the spirit.

Dino:
Yes.

Peter:

I mean my material existence was nonexistent - I mean, I’m purely a spiritual being rather than anything to do with the material level. I don’t see things on that way of...


Dino:

No. Naturally, you haven't had any material experience at all.


Peter:

No. None at all...


Dino:

No...both of you.


Peter:
The only...well, yes…I mean, the point is, that I’ve had no material experience as such, other than the fact that coming back with Mama, of course, I’ve seen into your world...

Dino:

Yes.


Peter:

…and of course, I’m conscious of what goes on in your world. I’m conscious of you, very much so. But, of course, one learns a certain amount about material things through coming back.


Dino:

Yes.


Peter:

But I'm very glad that I don’t have to return in the physical sense or I don’t have to have any connections with the material world.

Dino:

Yes.

Peter:

I mean, I am so purely caught up with the things of the spirit. My whole life is a spiritual one, not a physical one.


Dino:

Yes, exactly.


Peter:

Whereas, you see, Mama had had material experience. She’d been on the Earth, she’d been married to you and she’d been caught up with all sorts of material problems.


Dino:
Yes.

Peter:

But with me and Sybilla, it’s a different thing. We are purely spirit.
Anyway, I'm very happy, you know, coming to speak to you like this, I’m concentrating, as you say, my thoughts. You see, another thing over here, perhaps you don’t realise, but we do not have to speak; we can communicate purely on a level of thought. We...we transmit our thoughts and automatically, people know what we're thinking. Language is no barrier. We don’t have languages on this side. You see, we can communicate entirely by thought process.

Dino:

Yes.

Peter:

I mean, I can read your thoughts. In fact, I...I pick up a great deal from you, mentally...


Dino:

Yes.

Peter:

As so does Mama and, well, Sybilla and I, we are, [Laughs] well, I wish I could explain this to you.


Dino:

Yes.

Peter:
But you know, we are a threesome: Mama and Sybilla and I.


Dino:

Yes.


Peter:

We just looking after you, waiting for you to join us.

Dino:

Yes.

Peter:

We know a little longer has to pass before you will join us, but we shall all be together eventually. We shall be complete. I love you and I send you all my blessings.

Just a moment. I want Sybilla to come.

Dino:

Yes.


Sybilla Nanji:

Hello Daddy.


Dino:

Hello, sweetheart.

Sybilla:

Daddy, how are you?


Dino:

I am...I am well...thank God...


Sybilla:

Well, I...I know how you are, of course, really. But I suppose it’s a sort of a habit one gets into. I listen to Mama talking to you...

Dino:

Yes.

Sybilla:

...and you talking to Mama...

Dino:

Yes.

Sybilla:

…and I suppose it’s one of those things. Automatically I know that things are well; I know you haven’t been too well in a sense, but...but Mama seems to think that all is well with you. I...I don’t think you have any real cause for worry, have you?

Dino:

No darling, the only thing I am worried...

Sybilla:

You know, it's so strange trying to talk to you. I know you’ll find this difficult, perhaps, to understand. But here am I thinking…

Dino:

Yes.

Sybilla:

…and transmitting, I suppose, my thoughts…


Dino:

Yes.


Sybilla:

…so that you receive sound.

Dino:

Yes.

Sybilla:

You know, over here we don’t have to communicate in a ment-...in the way in which you do. We can do it mentally. Although, of course, we do have sound.


Dino:

Yes.

Sybilla:
I mean, if we wish we can concentrate our thoughts and create sound. I mean music...I’ve been brought up...do you know, I’ve been studying music ever since, more or less, I’ve been here. I love music. Mummy is interested in music too.


Dino:

Yes.

Sybilla:

I’m interested in all sorts of things - things that I would not have, perhaps, the opportunity to study if I had been on Earth, I can study over here. We have everything that you have and more.

Dino:

Yes.


Sybilla:

On a certain level anyway.

Dino:

Yes.

Sybilla:

It’s marvellous talking to you. Can you hear me?

Dino:

Yes, of course! Lovely!

Sybilla:

I don't know if I do it very well.


Dino:

No, no, no...

Sybilla:

You see, I’m not used to it like Mummy is.


Dino:

You’re doing just as well as Mummy!


Sybilla:

You see, Mummy, you see, having had an Earthly existence, when she comes, in a way, she concentrates her thoughts on the material aspect of things, and she gives something, I suppose, we hope, of her own self in the way in which she used to be, when you knew her.

Dino:

Yes.

Sybilla:

Of course, you didn’t really know me...

Dino:

Yes.

Sybilla:

…and I’m transmitting myself as I am now. Mummy tries to transmit herself as you remember her, which is a rather different thing.

Dino:

Yes, of course.

Sybilla :

Well it's all of a men-...you see, all life is thought, Daddy.


Dino:

Yes.

Sybilla:

Oh, we are so happy and we just want you to be happy and to know that we are, all three, waiting for you to join us.

Dino:

Yes darling.

Sybilla:

And I don’t know how long that's going to be. But then time is an illusion. It’s not so much for you; it’s much more hard. Because time does mean something to you, because, in a sense, you are in time, but we are outside of time. And, what may seem a long time to you, is as nothing to us.


Dino:

[Laughs]

Sybilla:

Really. You know? It’s an illusion, isn’t it?

Dino:
Yes, exactly.

Sybilla:
Oh, I wish I could put my arms around you and give you a big hug and a big kiss, but I do. Now Mummy wants to talk to you.


Dino:
Thank you, darling.


Annie:

Hello darling! I am back. Were the children very good, uh? They concentrate very hard, you know. But of course, you see, for them it is rather different, because they had no Earthly existence as you understand it. And it is a different thing for them, because everything about them is purely of the spirit...


Dino:

Yes.

Annie:

…where there is no physical aspect at all. And therefore it is rather different for them when they come and to try to think and to transmit, you know. Whereas with me, I am caught, as it were, between the two worlds. I think of the old self. I think of you and me and our association and our friendships with people and all the things that happened to us materially.

Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

And, but of course, I want to transmit always the things of the spirit as well, as I am. But it is, uh, coming back is rather different for me, than for the children, you know. Ah! It is wonderful. I wish, I wish...but then you will be coming again soon, uh?

Dino:

Oh, I shall come again in June, darling.

Annie:

And then it will be, we hope, beautiful weather.


Dino:

Yes. In the summer.


Annie:

It won’t be so cold and miserable.

Dino:

Yes. Leslie has been kind enough to...


Annie:

Ah, I would be so upset...you know when there was that long period when you was not...I was very upset about it.

Dino:
But what can I do...?


Annie:
But it was a long time before you were able to come again. But now that is all finished. Now we are back where we were, uh?

Dino:

Yeah, I hope so.

Annie:

And we can have the regular contact...[at least twice or so, a year.]


Dino:

And I wish and pray for Leslie everyday, that he keeps well.


Annie:

I know, I know. And I pray, too.


Dino:

Yes.


Annie:

Oh, I love you. I wish I could give you one big kiss before I go.


Dino:

Darling I...I love you.


Annie:

The children were marvellous.


Dino:

Yes they are.


Annie:

And we all send our love and blessings.


Dino:

Yes, thank you darling.


Annie:

And, please don’t worry. All will be well.


Dino:

I know you are always by my side, darling. Love you.

Annie:

I don’t like to say goodbye. I hate that word, goodbye.


Dino:

No.You, you come with me back home with me.


Annie:

I will.


Dino:

God bless you, darling.

Mickey:

Oh, she was marvellous! And weren’t the children marvellous, too?


Dino:

Yes.

Mickey:

Oh, I do think they did well.



END OF RECORDING



*Mr Fricker = the British spiritual healer Edward George Fricker.



This transcript was kindly created for the Trust by Mary Beth Mank - March 2018