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The Victoria and John Brown séance

Recorded: November 11th 1963


In this short extract from a 1963
séance recording,
the voice of Queen Victoria of England can be heard.


She makes it quite clear to Flint and his sitter, Rose Creet,
that she is no longer Queen and simply 'Victoria'...

She refers to her husband Albert, with whom she now shares her life 'in paradise'
and explains that her royal 'ghillie' - Scotsman John Brown - was also
a Spirit Medium, through whom her husband once communicated...

Later, John Brown speaks for himself and recommends that Flint should take a wee drop of whisky for his cold !

 
 

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Read the transcript below as you listen...



Present: Leslie Flint, Rose Creet.

Spirit Communicators: Victoria, John Brown, Mickey.


Rose Creet:
Are you there ?

Victoria:
One day…

Rose Creet:
Yes…

Victoria:
…it may be possible…

Rose Creet:
Yes…

Victoria:
…for quite a number of us to come.

Rose Creet:
Yes, I quite understand that. I would like to know who's speaking to me. It's very difficult, you know. I can only hear the voice.

Victoria:
I have come with John.

Rose Creet:
With John ?

Victoria:
My good friend.

Rose Creet:
Yes ? Tell me who you are…your name? So that I can address you by your name. Won’t you?

Victoria:
I too was privileged in my lifetime to know of this great truth…

Rose Creet:
Oh well…

Victoria:
…and John Brown was my Medium. The same as you, my dear, have an instrument - so did I.

Rose Creet:
Is that Queen Victoria ?

Victoria:
I am Victoria.

Rose Creet:
Oh how lovely…

Victoria:
But no longer a Queen.

Rose Creet:
No. No, you’re just your natural self now.

Victoria:
Many people did not understand, the close link that had been forged between John and myself.

Rose Creet:
Yes. Oh how interesting. Do…

Victoria:
…but he was the link between myself and my dear husband…

Rose Creet:
Albert.

Victoria:
…with whom I am now truly in paradise.

Rose Creet:
Oh I’m so pleased to hear that…

Victoria:
But I could not speak of these things when I was on your side. It would not have been the right thing for me to have done. It would have been misunderstood.

Rose Creet:
I believe you had a diary in which you wrote those things…

Victoria:
I kept religiously, day by day, a diary. And also all the communications that transpired between myself and my dear husband.

Rose Creet:
I believe they…

Victoria:
…they all, I understand, after my death, were discarded.

Rose Creet:
That’s right, yes. What a pity.

Victoria:
Palmerston and others…

Rose Creet:
He came through and spoke some time ago here…

Victoria:
Benjamin Disraeli…

Rose Creet:
Yes.

Victoria:
…who tried to speak to you a moment or two ago - he was a remarkable person.

Rose Creet:
I believe though, he was a great favourite of yours wasn’t he Victoria ?

Victoria:
He was indeed, a great favourite. A very great favourite of mine. He was a good man. Of course, like all human beings, he made mistakes - but I couldn’t stand that !

Rose Creet:
(Laughter)…yes I know !

Victoria:
But I now think, that in many respects I misjudged him, and I’ve apologised to him.

Rose Creet:
Gladstone has been through before…

Victoria:
Now all are inclined to misunderstand each other…

Rose Creet:
Rather. That’s the trouble in the world.

Victoria:
…and in my position, with my background, my upbringing - surrounded as I was by so many faint speakers and so many soft spoken people…

Rose Creet:
Yes.

Victoria:
…it was very difficult. One would say this and the other would say something else and then it would be implied to me that the other person was not truthful and it was only after many years, that I became to see a little more clearly and a little more deeply about human nature. I could tell you a great number of things…

Rose Creet:
I wish you would…

Victoria:
…and yet perhaps one I may be able to do…

Rose Creet:
Oh yes please Victoria, I would love that.  It would be most…

Victoria:
…and perhaps one day my dear husband will come and speak to you.

Rose Creet:
I would like that very much too.

Victoria:
We are still very, very concerned and very interested in all that transpires in your world. That is from the point of view, not exactly only appointed, but from the point of view of the good that might yet come, when people begin to know and realise and understand more about each other and all the barriers, that we hope and pray, may be broken down and true men may live and dwell in peace together. How different it is, even today, from my time when we had a vast empire.

Rose Creet:
Yes,

Victoria:
Now many of the old barriers have gone and many new nations are beginning to arise. They are having their teething troubles, but I think eventually, there will come a greater realisation and a greater way of peace among the nations. We are all working to this common end, for the common good.

We may not perhaps be able to do a great deal, but we do impress and we do inspire, wherever it is possible. We have tried desperately to help in many ways. It’s very difficult but we endeavour to do all that we can and of course, we have a special concern for this country. That is only natural, but at the same time we see not just England, but we see the whole world for we seek true brotherhood amongst nations and people, that they may live as friends together in peace and tranquility. Working to do the will of God while yet on Earth.

It will come eventually, though it may seem a long way off, yet truly I am sure it must come.

How privileged you are my child, to have this proof and this knowledge. Indeed, if it had not been for this great knowledge that you possess, I myself, I am sure, could never have continued that long life of mine. It was the wonderful knowledge and the realisation that I had, that helped me through those many years of difficulty and trials and tribulations. Indeed it is a great blessing to know of these great truths. Indeed you are blessed.

I will come and talk to you again…

Rose Creet:
Yes please.

Victoria:
May God bless you my child - and you too…

Flint:
God bless you…

Rose Creet:
Thank you Victoria.

John Brown:
Aye. The old lady did quite nicely !

Flint:
Mmm ?

Rose Creet:
What ?

John Brown:
Aye.

Rose Creet:
The old lady did quite nicely, yes…hello…is that David ?

John Brown:
She’s no - she’s no old lady now.

Rose Creet:
No.

John Brown:
But er…you know how it is when we get back into Earth conditions.

Rose Creet:
Yes

John Brown:
To some extent we’ve got to react as the old self.

Rose Creet:
Yes.

John Brown:
Aye. She’s a bonnie lass - and she’s happy now with her husband.

Rose Creet:
…with her Albert. She adored him didn’t she ?

John Brown:
Aye. It was a real love match, there’s no doubt about that.

Rose Creet:
I’m so glad they’re together.

John Brown:
And I only did my job. People do not understand that. I know that I had my faults and perhaps, in a way, I took advantage - which I should no have done. But at the same time, I had my own way. And I was doing many things, which people did not understand, that the old lady’d see. And she was badgered by all sorts and I treated every one the same - I couldn’t have cared less whether they had a title or not. It’s what a man was that mattered to me.

Rose Creet:
Yes.

John Brown:
Anyway, that’s a long story, you’ll no wanna listen to that.

Rose Creet:
This is John Brown ?

John Brown:
Aye. Who did you think it was ?

Rose Creet:
Hello. Thank you for coming John Brown.

John Brown:
Aye and we’ll come again and talk to you…

Rose Creet:
Yes.

John Brown:
And keep this man healthy…

Rose Creet:
We’re trying !

John Brown:
You know the best thing for everyone is a drop of whisky at the night ?

Rose Creet:
You think so ?

John Brown:
Aye. You can no beat the whisky...

Rose Creet:
(Laughter)

John Brown:
A wee drop of whisky does a man good. Helps stop a cold and the flu…

Rose Creet:
Oh alright. I’ll give some to him tonight…

John Brown:
Oh I don’t know. We had better get in touch with your doctor friend. M…m…my own experience is that a wee drop of whisky is the right thing…

Rose Creet:
Ah, but don’t forget, you were a Scotsman !

John Brown:
Aye. Anyway I must go now. Goodnight to you all.

Rose Creet:
Alright. Goodnight.

Mickey:
Bye bye !

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This transcript was written and supplied by K Jackson-Barnes