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Mickey séance


Recorded: December 8th 1973

"You are a medium, a natural medium..."

Mickey is welcomed by everyone in this group seance from 1973
and greets everyone in his usual amusing way

Then, after giving advice to one sitter on how to unfold her psychic potential,

Mickey begins an indepth explanation on how we can expand our awareness,
increase our individual development, and tap into universal knowledge.

He also refers to intelligences beyond our world and how we are being helped by those from other worlds that have been in existence for billions of years...



"There are highly evolved beings
who are trying to make contact with your world..."

 
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Read the full transcript below as you listen...



Communicator:
Mickey.
Present:
Leslie Flint, Bram Rogers, Jim Ellis, Howard Serda, Daphne, Shirley, Nigel, Doreen, Vivian, Janet and Gerda.

Flint:
This seance was recorded on the 8th of December 1973, Medium Leslie Flint.

All sitters:
Hello Mickey…Bless you…Hello Mickey, how are you?…Yes…We can hear you, Mickey.

Mickey:
There's two Howards here ain't there?

Sitter:
That's right, Mickey.

Mickey:
There's a Mr. Howard and, well he’s Howard, but it’s a Christian Howard.

Sitters:
That's right. [Laughter]

Flint:
A Christian Howard?

Mickey:
Well that's his Christian name.  The other man's name is Howard but it's um his surname ain't it?

Sitter:
That's right, Mickey.

Mickey:
And Janet.

Janet:
Hello Mickey.

Mickey:
How are you, Jan?

Janet:
Fine I think.

Mickey:
And Shirley.

Shirley:
Hello Mickey.

Mickey:
How are you, Temple?

[Loud laughter]

Flint:
How are you Temple?

Mickey:
I think she was named after Shirley Temple.

Shirley:
I was actually. You're quite right.

Mickey:
I know you was. Your Mum thought she was sweet…

Shirley:
That's right.

Mickey:
...so she named you after her.

Shirley:
Perfectly true.

Mickey:
Um…[whispers: yes all right then…]
And that's um…that bus driver bloke.

[Loud laughter]

Flint:
Oh dear, ‘bus driver bloke’!

Mickey:
How are you, mate?

Sitter:
I'm fine thank you, Mickey….

[Interference with microphone]

Mickey:
You're not windy, are you?

Sitter:
…all things considered. Windy?

Flint:
Oh dear!

Sitter:
How do you mean?

Mickey:
Never mind.

Flint:
Well who else is here, Mickey?

Sitter:
Don't go away, Mickey.

Mickey:
I ain't going away.

Sitters:
General murmuring.

Sitter:
That's good.

Mickey:
How are you?

Sitter:
All right. Thank you.

Mickey:
Nigel. Doreen.

Nigel:
Yes.

Mickey:
Aren’t you sorted out now, ain't you?

Doreen:
Uh-huh.

Nigel:
All right thank you Mickey.

Mickey:
Thank Goodness.

Nigel / Doreen:
Yes.

Mickey:
How is Daphne?

Daphne:
I'm all right, thank you Mickey.

Mickey:
How's your knee Daph?

Daphne:
Me knee? That's all right.

Mickey:
Well you had trouble with your leg didn't you, Daphne?

Daphne:
Oh yes. You made fun of it didn't you?

Mickey:
Well, in a nice way.

Daphne:
Oh yes.

Mickey:
And of course Viviana’s here.

Vivian:
Hello, Mickey.

Mickey:
How are you Viviana?

Vivian:
I'm fine now.

Mickey:
And that's your mate, ain't it?

Vivian:
Yes that's a mate of mine.

Mickey:
How are you?

Sitter:
I'm fine, thank you.

Mickey:
Are you windy?

Sitter:
Not in the least. No.

Sitter:
Windy?

Sitter:
Frightened…

Mickey:
You're not windy are you love?

Sitter:
Not a bit.

Sitter:
Oh right. I see.

Mickey:
I haven't left no one out have I?

Sitter:
Yes.

Mickey:
Oh not you, I don't mean.

[Loud laughter]

Mickey:
Well you're…[Whispers something]…Well I’ll see what I can do.


Bram:
I'm part of the furniture and fittings am I? What about Jim?

Mickey:
Oh well, ha ha..

[Loud laughter]

Jim:
What’s that for Mickey? Mickey…

Mickey:
You’re a case you are Jimmy Ellis ain’t ya?

Jim:
Did I break the circle yesterday? I'm sorry if I did.

Mickey:
No. Of course you didn't.

Jim:
I didn't? ok.

Mickey:
What makes you think you broke the circle?

Jim:
Well, I got up as you just spoke and you stopped right then.

Mickey:
It don't worry me mate.

Jim:
Oh ok. As long as I know.

Flint:
You're very subdued, Mickey, this morning aren’t you?

Bram:
Perhaps he's trying to sort something out.

Sitter:
Oh it’s just after twelve o’clock.

Mickey:
That new lady…Gerda. Is that your name?

Gerda:
That's right.

Mickey:
Would you know a young fellow that would come to you who died rather tragically? Not so long ago, a few weeks or months ago?

Gerda:
Yes. Certainly.

Mickey:
Do you know his wife?

Gerda:
I don't - I didn't even know him actually.

Mickey:
Do what?

Gerda:
I didn't know him.

Mickey:
But do you know - know anything about his Mrs.?

Gerda:
I don't know really anything about her.

Mickey:
Oh blimey! Wait a moment.

Gerda:
Except I think she's American.

Mickey:
What difference does that make?

Gerda:
I don’t know…

[Laughter]

[Sound of chair creaking]

Mickey:
Sit still.

Flint:
Tut. All right.

[Laughter]

Mickey:
Proper fidget you are…

Flint:
Tut.

Mickey:
Do you tell your beads?

Gerda:
No.

Mickey:
Well what's all this about beads?

Gerda:
Beads...

Mickey:
Have you got some sort of necklace thing…

Gerda:
Yes.

Mickey:
That there’s a special ‘significancey’ about it?

Gerda:
Yes I have.

Mickey:
And um, well I don't understand this. Someone's laughing and says she doesn't use the beads any more.

Gerda:
Oh well these are - these are sort of Zen Buddhist beads but I - they're just hanging up in my room, I don't use them...

Mickey:
Well, it's very interesting to me. There's a bloke - man here and he says, she's got some very special beads and they’re done - they're special beads and - and you sort of play around with them and concentrate or at least they help you to relax.

Gerda:
That's what they're supposed to be for.

Mickey:
And why don't you do it then because it'd be a good thing. They want you to get these beads and make use of 'em, not just hang 'em up.

Gerda:
I see. Yes.

Mickey:
Because there's a lot of power with those beads and they will help you.

Gerda:
Oh. Thank you.

Mickey:
Um, were they given specially to you by somebody?

Gerda:
No I bought them.

Mickey:
Well there's a great power with those beads and the - and from the person who - to whom they belonged.

Gerda:
Oh.

Mickey:
Those beads - now I'm not going to say they're miracles - but the point is that those beads, if you were to handle those beads, especially when you're in need or in trouble...

Gerda:
Yes?

Mickey:
…they would bring to you a great - not only a great peace, but they would bring to you things that are good for you. In other words, I'm not saying that they're like Aladdin’s lamp, but the point is, that if you had something very much on your mind that was necessary or you wanted - that if it was good for you to have it that is, it would help you. They say something about the power of those beads of which you know nothing.

Gerda:
Oh. Thank you for telling me.

[Coughing]

Mickey:
You know somebody connected with you committed suicide.

Gerda:
Er…yes. Yes. Not directly connected with me...

Mickey:
Well yes - well, not directly, but you are sort of connected up with this individual. And this person couldn't face life any longer and it was all a great tragedy. It seems as if they got to the point where they just couldn't go on any more.

Gerda:
Yes. I think probably that's right.

Mickey:
You're an extremely psychic person yourself. I don't know why you don't realise this more.

Gerda:
Well I don’t, sort of, have any needs in that direction. I feel perhaps that's why.

Mickey:
No. You might not have any needs, but you might be of great benefit and blessing to other people. And you have a great what you call intuit-it-it-it-ively sort of thing about yourself, inside like. And you do get things, very strong things. And um, you can help people by talking to people and you're impressed what to say, often.

Gerda:
Well I do quite a lot of that in any case.

Mickey:
I know you do. But you don't call it psychic, but you are mate. You're a darn sight more psychic than some of them Mediums that go on the platform, mate.

[General laughter]

Gerda:
Thank you.

Mickey:
You've got it there mate. And you've got a very great inner realisation. And it's as if you've got the third eye, as they term it. And those beads - belonged to someone over here who was a very powerful Medium and a great understanding, that person had, of spiritual values.

Gerda:
Could you describe the beads to me a little better do you think, ‘cause there are several sort of in my house? I think it - there are some that I - I…

Mickey:
Well they're coloured.

Gerda:
They're coloured, are they?

Mickey:
But they're not all one colour.

Gerda:
Oh they must be not quite the ones I thought of, ‘cause those are wooden ones. They're just all - all red.

Mickey:
These are painted.

Gerda:
Oh I must have a hunt for them.

Mickey:
Do what love?

Gerda:
I must look for them.

Mickey:
Oh no. You must know them. They're old, they're not new. And they're sort of painted, as if they'd been dipped in something.

Gerda:
Maybe, I’ve given them to one of my children or something I don't - I can't really...

Mickey:
Right you wanna get 'em back quick then!

Gerda:
All right.

[General laughter]

Gerda:
All right.

Mickey:
It's a long lot. It's not short.

Gerda:
Well this long one - these were long ones that I thought you were describing. They're all wooden with a little blue tassel at the bottom.

Mickey:
Yeah but are they coloured?

Gerda:
No they're - they're not, they're just sort of plain wood. They're pale wood colour.

Mickey:
Wait a moment. [whispers: why are you tellin' me that then? You said they’re coloured varying colours. Ay?]
Someone seems very interested in you. Um, there’s a lady here they refer to her as Mary Ann.

Gerda:
Oh.

Mickey:
And um, her real name - two Christian names were Mary and Ann and she was often known as Mary and sometimes as Polly. Do you know much about…

Gerda:
Well I do know a Polly, but I didn't think that she - I thought she was still around...

Mickey:
Oh she's around all right, but she's around on this side.

Gerda:
[Laughing] Oh I see. I thought she was still around on this side.

Mickey:
No, not the one we're on about mate. The lady here whose name was Polly - Mary Ann, but they often called her Polly, and she's a relation of yours.

Gerda:
Oh.

Mickey:
She was an elderly lady, grey hair. She was an aunt.

Gerda:
Oh.

Mickey:
Maybe a great aunt to you.

Gerda:
Well I'm - I had a great-Aunt Matilda but not an Aunt - a great-Aunt Polly.

Mickey:
Oh yes you did. You had a great-Aunt Polly.

Gerda:
Perhaps I didn't know about her.

Mickey:
Yes. Mary Ann, Mary Ann and um, [whispers: yes, what did you say?]

[Long pause]

Mickey:
You've been haunted, haven't you?

Flint:
Huh!

Gerda:
Well kind of, yes.

Mickey:
Yes you have. This last week or two, you've been aware of someone's presence…

Gerda:
Yes!

Mickey:
…and um, you've had some odd things happen.

Gerda:
Yes, that's really why I'm here you see.

Mickey:
And also you've had some peculiar dreams. Whether you remember them is perhaps not possible to have. You call - would call them dreams, but astral travelling. I don't care even if you don't understand it, you are an old soul. You are a medium, a natural medium and you receive far more than a lot of so-called mediums get. You should really go in for this.

Gerda:
Mmm, yes. Well in a way, I do.

Mickey:
Yeah, but you do it in a different way. I'm not saying you're wrong in this, I think probably for you it's right. But you are much more psychic and mediumistic than most mediums I know of. And if you were to take an article belonging to someone you would get all sorts of things and sensing and you can delve back into the past and you can let yourself drift into the past and you can enter into people's lives.

Gerda:
But in what - in what way is that helpful to them?

Mickey:
Well, people are in need or in trouble or who are desperately unhappy, I think that you would be impressed often to say what is the right thing to say and often you'd be able to give them guidance.

Gerda:
Yes.

Mickey:
There's a lot of Chinese influence around you, tremendous!

Gerda:
Oh.

Mickey:
Have you got - I know it sounds nuts - but have you got some Chinese things in your house?

Gerda:
Yes I have. Yes.


Mickey:
Of not of great value but, um, things that have - I don't know how you got a hold of 'em but, there's a very terrific Chinese influence around you. You must have had a lot to do with China in previous incarnations.

Gerda:
Oh.

[Long pause]

Mickey:
Are you separating your place?

Gerda:
Um, not really, but I - I have - there’s another family who kind of lives in my house.

Mickey:
Well it's as if there's some other people there that, are nothing to do with you in a sense, as if you splitted up the place.

Gerda:
Well no. They're all family actually.

Mickey:
Well, it's most peculiar. It's um, I don't know. I’ve got things with you…extraordinary.
[whispers: Ay? Well alright then. Ay? I told her all about that but she doesn't really - I think she’s (?) in a way]

[Long pause]

Gerda:
Mickey, can I ask you something?

Mickey:
What?

Gerda:
Uh, the - the chap that you said uh, was haunting me just recently, is he there with you?

Mickey:
Well, yes he is of course but, um, you see there's such a lot around you and people and their vibrations and their conditions. Do you know Graham?

Gerda:
Yes.

Mickey:
Well uh…

Gerda:
My son-in-law.

Mickey:
Oh dear, oh dear. [Long pause] I don't know, I mean there's a funny set up with you quite frankly. Um, I think you're a strong individualist really, and yet um...Oh dear, I don't know how to put this really. [Long pause]
[whispers: don’t know I’m sure. She’s a puzzle.]

[General laughter]

Flint:
Dear, oh dear!

Gerda:
What, a puzzle?

Mickey:
Chinese one too.

[More laughter]

Bram:
A Chinese one…

Gerda:
Well they're the toughest of all.

Mickey:
No, seriously. I find you fascinating. I think that you just don't realise what a remarkable psychic you are. And I think that, um, it's a sad thing really that you can't go more deeply into this.

Gerda:
Well I could of course, couldn't I?

Mickey:
Well you could, but I don't think you've got the - well I say about the inclination so much - but the circumstances around you don't really permit you, at present anyway. And material affairs haven't been easy for you. They've been very complicated.

Gerda:
They have at times, yes.

Mickey:
And somehow you had to pull the blind down, didn't you at one period? And you had to split and, uh, break away.

Gerda:
Yes, yes.

Mickey:
You see, this is your problem. You're - a strange combination you are. You're at war within yourself really.

Gerda:
Well I wouldn't have said that.

Mickey:
Oh I do. You might not. You may say you're at peace with yourself and at peace with the world. In a sense that may well be true, but, um, you are a dual and there's this tremendous spiritual awareness and consciousness and this tremendous psychic force which is around you, which somehow you don't seem to want to or don't seem to appreciate fully that you have - or that you can achieve so much with it or through it. And I think, you see it’s like, um, oh I don't know. It's a complex thing...

Three levels of consciousness. Three levels; there's the psychical and there's the spiritual and there's the material. And I suppose in a way they’re pretty well harmonised, but you should certainly do more of the psychic. I mean it's all very well to link up with the spiritual but, the psychic is what holds the spiritual and the material in harmony. I think the psychic should be developed more in you.


Gerda:
How would you suggest that I would do that?

Mickey:
Well, I would like to see you sit, once a week, preferably with several people of like mind, whom you know and are sincerely interested and just sit and wait for the power of the spirit to manifest itself through the psychic forces. But of course if you've got children I suppose it's difficult isn't it?

Gerda:
Well it - it wouldn't be too easy. We do have a meeting once a week but it's of a different nature. We...

Mickey:
Well that's all right as far as it goes but, you're trying to walk on one level and quite frankly, I think that you've got to, um, appreciate - a lot of people, see, are striving for the spiritual which is a wonderful thing, but the psychic level is the lever. It's the levelling up and the appreciation and the realisation of the psychic-self opening up to spiritual levels of consciousness and awareness.

People…you see you get these people, I'm not saying you, who are only interested in highly evolved spiritual things, but they don't realise that it is the psychic door that opens up to these things. And when you get them on the right perspective or level then you become much more evolved and involved and much more psychically and spiritually conscious, and everything's in balance.


You know this is where you get people who go ‘nuts’ through religion. They get this sort of religious mania, I’m not talking about you, and they get this sort of a ‘bee in their bonnet’ and this is not good. They haven't tuned in, they haven't levelled up with the psychic. The psychic is what keeps you together in harmony - materially, psychically and spiritually. This is what the great prophets and the teachers knew all about. That's why they performed, what the world terms, miracles.

Gerda:
Yes.

Mickey:
They perform spiritual realisations on the psychic level through a material manifestation. Anyway I can't...

Bram:
That's very interesting…

[Others murmur in agreement]

Gerda:
Well I've only ever really been interested in the very simplest spiritual things. Nothing very deep or complicated. Just very simple.

Mickey:
What level would you say you were on then?

Gerda:
I don't really find a level and in fact I don't really find anyone...

Mickey:
Are you just doing meditation?

Gerda:
No - well, in a way but this is - I don't - I don't find anyone here to be on a level…

Mickey:
You don't find what?

Gerda:
I don't find anyone here, any person here to be on any level at all. Just - just an emptiness, which contains everything else.

Mickey:
I don't quite get that. I mean, let's face it, all people are on different levels of consciousness and awareness according to their individual striving or seeking or…You know, but um, I think, you see, one can be in a sense in tune with many people. But um, I - I don't quite know exactly what you're striving for.

Gerda:
I'm really not striving for anything. I'm just being. There's no - I don't find any goal to strive for because it's - it's already attained, it's right here.

Mickey:
Well I don't quite get that either.

Gerda:
Well, there's nothing to achieve. I don't find any - anything that there’s necessary to achieve, because it's all given at this moment now.

Mickey:  
Well there must be a sense of, surely, of, um, raising oneself beyond the mundane and the material and reaching out for enlightenment and spiritual consciousness and awareness, and becoming, as it were, to some extent, beyond that which is normal or physical. You see - I mean…

Gerda:
Well no, I - I don't find that. No.

Mickey:
But, um, this is what I - you see, you're an extraordinarily interesting character because you have this great potential of psychic power, and the realisation that should come from that and with that, would raise you on a mental and spiritual level of achievement, whereby you would be able to assist and help many people. I don't mean just for mundane material things, but to raise themselves.  

You see, whether you like it or whether you don’t, or whether you understand or whether you don't understand, you have been - obviously - been given an ability whereby you could uplift and make possible a path, for many people who are seeking. You have to be a teacher. Whether you…you see you have this ability to - to give forth, to give out. You see everyone must be, in some sense, struggling - everyone is, without perhaps realising it. I think you are without realising it.  

I mean, it's true to say that within man is a great potential, but um, all around and about you in the universe is the knowledge and is the experience, is the realisation and the, um, the fruits, as it were, of the efforts that are made by humanity to be - to be taken and to be partaken of. I mean, it's all very well to say within you is the power of the spirit - which we know is there - but also, the power of the spirit can only come into fruition or full flower when the effort is made. No one can achieve anything without making an effort.

One must - must have the sense of - of striving and - and being and - and becoming and then, when you've reached a certain standard or level, you realise there are other greater and more wonderful vistas to see and to understand and to conquer. This is what it's all about. Life is all assimilation of new and wider visual - vision and experience.  

I mean it's all very well to say that you - it's all there. It is all there, but it's not only within you, it's without. The whole universe is full of it. People don't realise what's going on in the universe. They don't realise that everything there is to be tapped. Everything is there waiting to be seen, to be heard, to be experienced. It's not just nothing in the atmosphere. It's something. A tremendous something.  

All knowledge is secreted there. Everything is there. Everything can be found and discovered, if only you'll make the effort. You see, everything is a sense of achievement and I think this is human as well, in as much as, that if things are just there and you're aware of them without any effort, there's no satisfaction. You must make effort. Everyone must - it's like school. Everyone is studying. They don't perhaps always realise that they are really in a sense, studying, but the point is that it's there.

It's all there to be brought out and - and to be discovered and to be experienced. And there's no beginning and no end to these things. It's all a great realisation that comes according to the evolution of the individual. You've got it within you and - but all around and about you are worlds of tremendous, sort of, well, so vast, that we can't even begin to depict or describe them. I think that you should be seeking. I think you are without realising it. I think it's all there waiting to be discovered.

Gerda:
Yes. But I'm attempting, I think, to help people in my own way by persuading them to look into their true nature, which is not identifying with this human form.

Mickey:
Well I think you got that idea right, but I think this business of, um - I think everybody has to - to some extent identify themselves in some way. They don't quite know with what or with whom or how. Some people identify themselves with the Christ, others identify themselves with Buddha. Others identify themselves with Confucius and they assimilate certain things appertaining to that individual, personalities or gods or call them what you will. And that helps them, but it's only a part. It's not complete.

Flint:
[Coughing]

Mickey:
[Whispers: shut up!]

Bram:
There’s some water there…

Mickey:
I wish people understood better.

Bram:
Well surely that’s - I think we're trying to understand.

Mickey:
You see, there's no such thing as one road. There are innumerable roads.

Gerda:
But there is - there is this unity of all things and I think this is really what's important to realise isn’t it?

Mickey:
There are basic…

Gerda:
…the non-separation sort of between...

Mickey:
There are basic unities yes. I mean, I think all the truths…the truths, the fundamental truths are all basic truths. But there are innumerable, thousands and thousands of other roads and aspects and ways and means.

Gerda:
I’m sure, yes, yes. You can't follow all of them.

Mickey:
No and I don't suggest that you should or even to think about that but, the point is, that the fundamental truth underlying all religions is the same.

Gerda:
Yes.

Mickey:
Whichever road you take you'll come to a given point and then when you get to that given point then you'll start to learn. Then you'll start to expand. Then you'll start to grow. And then you'll start to shed yourself of a lot of the things that the various religions or organisations, or call them what you will, have taken upon themselves and obscured often, the simple underlying truths.  

I mean, I think this is obvious. I - I think that all the religions of the world have obscured, in many instances, the valuable truth that was first proclaimed or given out. And until you shake yourself free of all these things that man has created or put upon the original teaching, until you've shed yourself of those, you don't really make much headway.

Gerda:
That's quite true.

Mickey:
I think man has got to discover from within himself in the first instance, yes. But he's also got to seek it further afield. He's got to seek outside himself. He's got to seek into the realms of the mind and of the spirit and the psychic and realise that the perfect human being, if there is such a thing as a perfect human being, is a combination. It's not just what some people seem to think; an individual. There's no such thing really in a sense. That's the biggest illusion of the lot.

I think that people assume that they are individuals and in an odd kind of way, materially they are - but they're the product of untold experiences, of other people's experiences, other people's thoughts, other people's ideas.
You've assimilated all sorts of things from all sorts of sources and you often proclaim them as partly your own or in some cases as your own. But there is nothing new. Everything is there. And everything in a sense has, at some time or other, been discovered and perhaps been lost.

All around and about you is life, the stimulating force that will give you tremendous realisations, if only you reach out for them. But when you're on Earth you’ve got to use the physical and the psychical and the spiritual in complete harmony. When you readjust, when you adjust yourselves, then you begin to perceive these things and you begin to progress to more true knowledge and experience. And gradually as you evolve you'll shed a lot of preconceived notions and ideas and a lot of the things that you've been imbued with since childhood.  


I mean people are, in a sense, unfortunate that - that they're brought up in a certain way and often these things cling to them and they're often stumbling blocks. If you happen to be born into a very religious family, then if you're not careful you're chained down for the rest of your life with preconceived notions and ideas. It's not until you're free and unchained and unfettered that you can hope to make any real progress. The unfettered person is the person who will progress. Not the fettered one.

Gerda:
But Mickey, if there - if it's all a constant striving for something at some time in the future, isn't that in a sense letting the present go by rather unheeded and the present is really all that we ever have at any moment isn't it - now? We're constantly striving for some achievement in the future this present seems to...

Mickey:
Well no. I don't mean...

Gerda:
…go unnoticed.

Mickey:
I know seriously, um…No, of course you have to face the present. That's why we talk about the physical, the psychical and the spiritual. Uh, the physical is in a sense the present. The physical is the expression, if you like, of many aspects of self. And of course the physical body is the vehicle of its expression and has to face up to the problems and the vicissitudes and all the experiences of material affairs. But if the adjustment comes through the psychical, which is the vehicle of the expression of the spirit - and when the three are in harmony, then you have a sort of perfect whole - this is the real trinity.

And the point is that, um, of course you have to face up to problems, you have to live your material life. But also you can live it with the realisation of the faculty of the psychic, which will help to level up and help you in the material and give you a wider realisation and understanding of the possibility of what can be achieved by the spiritual manifesting itself in harmony with the psychical and the physical.  

But the present is a big illusion, the same as the past and the future. All time is as nothing. Time doesn't stand still. You are only breathing in a sense, for the moment. But the point is that, through you is the eternal spirit manifesting itself in some shape or form.  And you are tying yourself to time by clocks and the sun and the moon and the stars and when the rent's due, and all that sort of thing, but these are passing things. Every second your body is changing, in some form of which you know little or nothing and probably wouldn't even be interested in. But the point is, the biggest illusion of all is this idea that you're in time.  

Actually you're only caught in time in a sense. It's the - it's the biggest illusion of all. Actually you're not in time. Really you're out of time and you're out of step with time and what is happening now is already registered. The past is with you, the future is there. You're stepping into it, although really it's already there. There's no demarcation line. There's no birth and there's no - there's no death.

Gerda:
I know. Yes.

Mickey:
You know, I mean...You have to harness yourself in a sense, yes. You have to face up to business, you have to face up to getting up and catching the old bus. But in a sense that's an illusion. It's a very real thing while you're experiencing it on the same level of consciousness of materialism. But behind all that you're doing and thinking are other facets, there's other things to be considered.

There are other peoples, without even you're aware of their presence, who are impressing you. Often they're telling you things, often you're registering things and you can't explain them. You're getting impressions, thoughts, ideas from all sorts of peoples; so-called dead peoples in some cases. But the point is that, there are other planets, there are other spheres. There are other beings; highly evolved - far more evolved than the people on Earth who kid themselves that they're civilised.  

The point is, you don't realise that all around you are untold numbers of living worlds, breathing worlds, experiencing worlds and peoples, far, far, far removed from anything you know about in your own way of life…

Bram:
Tell us a bit more about that, Mickey…

Mickey:
Why you should kid yourselves that you're the only people? I can understand in a way, because that's how you've been brought up.  At one time the world was flat, according to the world. Now you know it's round. Now you're beginning to discover that there are thousands of worlds. And you'll begin to realise soon that there are highly evolved beings - much more highly evolved than human beings on your planet - who are trying to make contact with your world. In some respects, they're trying to make contact with your world to try and save your world from disaster. Man is creating his own environment, creating his own problems, creating his own disturbances and it's nothing to do with religion and - all this business of religion is the biggest fallacy of the lot.

Bram:
Mickey, have these other planets that are inhabited, have those persons at any time been on this planet or is there…

Mickey:
You see this is another thing. People always seem to assume that peoples who live on other planets or in other worlds, that they probably almost certainly must have lived on Earth. As if the Earth is the only breeding ground of…you know this is, uh - actually your world in time itself, if you must have time, is only a baby. There are worlds that have been in - in - in being for untold billions upon billions and aeons and aeons of time. And some of these are highly evolved states of being where peoples, not quite as you are, have assimilated such experience, far beyond your wildest dreams.

And they are some of the people who - without revealing this to you probably - have tried to inspire and help your world.
There are people walking about on your planet who are not of the Earth at all, who have come into your world to try to influence. You recognise them to all outward appearances as ordinary people, but they're not.

Anyway, I can't go into depth on this at the moment. But, I mean, this isn't the kind of cir - circle that you were expecting, but, um, I can't help that.

All sitters:
It’s wonderful Mickey - Terribly exciting thank you. Thank you very much.

Mickey:
You see, I know it's human nature, I mean, this is understandable. That everyone, whatever their particular religious belief or whatever their persuasion or their interest in the spiritual matter may be, because they're human…for them, and it probably is right -  that is the right road or the right path. They have found it or they've been led into it and quite naturally, because it helps them and it gives them a peace or a tranquility of spirit, it’s good for them. I'd be the last to try to change them or take anything away from them. 

But it's not until you begin to realise, like I have and other souls over here, the immensity of life, how stupid it is to narrow the confines of your mind to the limitations of any particular religious belief or persuasion.
They are all little drops in the ocean of experience and it's not until you've been here, and you've experienced and witnessed many things and your eyes have been opened to the tremendous possibilities of life, in all its varying degrees and forms, that you begin to wish that people on Earth could see more clearly how necessary and essential it is for them, above all else, to be unshackled and unchained - to be free to think and to contemplate, to open their hearts and their minds to wisdom and truth in its many aspects.

It's like a diamond that's - that's uncut. It's got many facets to it. It's got a tremendous brilliance. And if only you could realise that it is this realisation that all life is one. It doesn't matter whether you are on this planet or that planet or this sphere or that sphere, whether you are born into your world under circumstances which are difficult or appalling or whether you're born into a very rich family and inherit the Earth in a sense, as you might say.  

All the creatures of creation, no matter who they are, what they are or what aspect of life they take or what shape or what form, it is the same animating spirit of all life that is giving you your aspect of self. You yourself are like a minute piece of - well, like a grain of sand in the deserts of time, and yet each grain is important to the rest. Each grain helps to form the desert - and even in the desert great things can grow.  

What I want to say, what I want to clarify if I can, is that everyone is important. Everyone has aspects of the Godhead. Everyone has the power within themselves to assimilate even more of this power and of this spirit and of this realisation and of this knowledge, and can become so much more evolved so much more conscious, so much more aware. But you must never, ever allow yourself to be narrowed down or fettered, or to think for one second, that your particular brand of religion or belief is the beginning and the end. It can never be that.  

I mean, Christ came into the world to set an example, to show a path, to show a way, like all the great teachers and the prophets. And they realised the potential within man. They realised the power of the spirit which was the eternal force of all good, which is the life-giving force which is eternal, which nothing can destroy or take away. Death cannot separate nor divide and, the whole point is that, Christ knew these things. He expounded these things. He demonstrated these things, as indeed did many of the great prophets, but they realised that the world, the material world, is only the cradle. It's not the be all and the end all. You grow out of it.  

And - and if only people could see the immensity of all this, they wouldn't narrow themselves down or prejudice themselves. Their love would be an all-expanding love, embracing all peoples of all nationalities - and even beyond worlds such as yours. And they'd see that every part in creation has its place and its purpose: that everything that lives is part of you. You destroy a spider - in a sense you're partly destroying yourself. People don't understand this. They look upon, for instance, a gnat or a flea or what, as something that, well, has no right to exist. I'm not saying that it is important, in the same sense that a human being is, or shall we say, a dog is, a pet dog or anything like that. But everything that is brought into being, has life. It has an animating some…aspect of self. It's not the outer covering.

You see, this is where man makes the mistake. He thinks of himself purely as physical. It's not the physical that's important. It's a - it's a shell. It's a covering, it's a house, through which you express aspects of God, aspects of the power of the Divine, aspects of your self as you know yourself - or think you know yourself or as you've grown to some extent, by experience.  

But the point is that you cannot destroy anything. Man thinks he destroys and often desires to destroy. But when he destroys something, in some sense or shape or form or in some way or other, he's destroying himself. Until you have the universal realisation of these things - that all life is part of the Divine plan - that you cannot escape from it any more than you can escape from yourself. When you do an injury to someone else, you are injuring yourself. You're often injuring yourself more than you're injuring the other person. People just can’t comprehend these things.  

I mean, if only you can see with the vision of the spirit, and if you could live in harmony; in the trinity of the spirit and the psychic and the material - when you are blended in complete love and harmony, in adjustment, then you begin to perceive - then you begin to breathe and live and have a realisation of what it's all about.  

People are seeking, striving, struggling, and they don't quite know which way to go. Some go this way some go that. Some find something which helps them. But no one has the universal truth, of course, because the universal truth is too immense for one mind or in one period of time to be grasped. You can only have a minute little dust-piece of it. But one day you'll understand more fully that - that there's so much to all this. All you can ever hope to do of course, is to follow that which you have been given, to the best of your ability. But all the time realise that it is only a minute part of the great whole.

We come to you in love; to serve you, to help you, to uplift you, to inspire you, to give you a meaning and a purpose. We come to comfort you, to help you and we come to bring you the realisation of things as we know them.
We may not do all the things we want to do - we could never hope to do that. We can only open the door a little way - if you will help us to push it ajar, then we can give you a little more. But, the whole point is that, so many people who call themselves Spiritualists, for instance, they haven't got the first idea what it's all about. To them Spiritualism is getting a message or getting some advice - usually material. That's nothing. That - that's just a fraction.

You might even say it's - it's the key if you like, to open the door, but nobody ever turns it or very few ever turn it. It seems to me that most people who say they're seeking, are only seeking on a very material level.
You must realise behind all that you're doing, all that you're seeking for, there is a greater significance and a greater power and a greater force and a greater realisation waiting to be given you. But while you're content to talk to Aunt Franny, while you're content just to talk on the material level about material things or ask some relation you've known and loved who still loves you, for material advice, then obviously you'll keep yourself and, to some extent, that person, on that level.  

There's no reason why you shouldn’t, of course, link up with all kinds of people on this side, but try to realise that are you only linking up on a material basis. Or are you trying to link up on a mental and spiritual one, for their advancement, as well as your own? Because you can help them as they can help you.  

If only you can realise the ‘oneness’ of the spirit and what that can achieve, what it can do. But it depends on you. You will only receive that which you are ready for and which you're probably capable of understanding. But if you widen your horizon, if you aspire to a higher link or higher vision, then nothing is impossible. But if you're content to stay put, then temporarily you'll stay put. If you're saying to yourself, ‘well I'm content with what I have,’ then to some extent you'll stay content. But that's not the be all and the end all.  

The realisation that everything is there waiting to be reached out to; to be grasped, to be understood, to be experienced - then all the levels of consciousness of the spirit are there. Nothing is impossible to him or her who strives. And it's only by striving that man will achieve and ever endeavouring to reach upwards to the heights. Don't be content with the depths. Don't be content to stand still. Don't be content to be stagnant. But aspire at all times for the things that truly are eternal, the things that are everlasting, the things that are God's and the things that are yours by inheritance. Because you are children of the living God - not some vague figure sitting on a throne as some people would have you think.

God is the living reality of - of life and it is this life-giving force that animates you and makes you a reality.
You are Gods while yet on Earth, in embryo. You are part of the Divine plan. You are part of the Divine force. You are part of the realisation of all truth. Aspire for it. Struggle for it. Fight for it and it'll come to you - and by so doing you will change yourself. You will change the world and you'll bring peace and realisation of truth into your world. But until man lifts himself out of the mire and lifts himself out of the darkness, he will never find the light, nor the truth.

We do what we can, but we must leave it with you to struggle and to make possible the things that we give you. It's no good us talking, it’s no good us expressing, unless you yourselves make the effort. It's no good just listening and then forgetting. You must listen and you must then put into action the things that are of the spirit - and then you will ‘spiritualise’ your world and it will truly be a world in which the children of God may dwell in peace, in harmony, in love.  


Now I have to go. But my love and bless you all. Bye-bye.

All sitters:
Bye Mickey…

RECORDING ENDS

Original recording digitised and uploaded to Youtube by Jack Andrews - August 2014

Transcribed for the Trust by Lorie McCloud - June 2017